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Misguided run training theory (long post, sorry)

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started by Triguy98 on May 10, 2005

First, some background:
My soon to be brother in law :rolleyes: is pretty airheaded guy. He stated to me a couple months ago that he was gonna start training for ultra marathons. Cool, I could accept that...but we're talking about a dude who hasnt run in a few years (since the army.) So he's been running a little (tends to exaggerate his pacing/ distances/ times, and won't run with me or my group) and is signed up for a 30K road race in 3 weeks.

Now the real meat and potatoes of the post:
He stumbled in from his run about 30 minutes ago. (gone ~ 1 hr), asked him how it was "terrible!" was the answer. He said the heat was getting to him, etc. He runs with a bottle carrier on his hips, so it wasnt totally due to hydration...though i dont know how much he consumed before starting out.

I suggested that he run later in the day, like I do, to maximize his training results. He stated that because his races will be "all day" that he needs to train in the heat "to get used to it" We work at the same job...outside..in Florida... I would imagine that would be enough heat adaption as would be necessary, and stated such. He instisted that the ultra marathoners all train and the magazines tell him to run in the heat of the day. I could see this..if we lived in a cooler climate... but this is FLORIDA...and summer is coming fast.

Am I nuts or is his train of thought flawed and potentially deadly?

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toni posted 3 years ago.

I live in the desert where it's pretty hot during the day. But thankfully it's dry heat most of the time. I know that being out in the heat during the day is a way different than running in the heat of the day. So it probably is beneficial for him to train in both the heat and the better training times of the day to get in a quality workout. My guess though is that he didn't drink enough before hand. His electrolytes were probably thrown off since he was probably sweating a lot and therefore that could make him feel yucky and have a bad run. My question is - how much did he drink during the run and did he have any electrolyte replacement fluid on him and did he drink it?

You can only go as far as you fuel your body to go. Hope that helps. I'm not an expert, but that's just my take on his situation.

-Toni
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kddubb posted 3 years ago.

I have found my body acclimates quite drastically to colder and warmer temperatures, so I do some training during the middle of the day to help acclimate myself (of course Colorado is a cooler, drier climate than Florida). However, it is totally stupid to do it early in the season before your body has had a chance to acclimate.

Mainly, I just remember painting houses in the middle of summer growing up in Oklahoma in high school and college. At the beginning of summer, the moderate heat was horrible. During one extremely hot summer year, I remember coming home and my mom asking if we were dying out there in the heat. I asked, "Why?" She said, because it was 115 with lots of humidity. I obviously didn't notice. And btw, I wasn't the health nut I am now back then. I usually drank a soda for lunch and our 3 man crew would share a gallon of water and usually not finish it. Because of that, I guess I've transitioned some of the experiential knowledge over to my training. I've always tried to run at least some of the time in the heat of the day to help my body get used to it. The human body really is an amazingly adaptive thing. Again, doing it before your body is ready usually ends up like your not-so-smart-soon-to-be-brother-in-law. ;o)

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Triguy98 posted 3 years ago.

We're outside working on a gold course all day, i would think that would be enough "adaptaion" for your body, and running in the evening would be more beneficial due to reduced hydration needs and just plain old heat. He's always been a bit odd, I was jsut wondering if it was just me. I still like how he uses his "mandatory" early run time to squirm out of running with the big boys. ; )

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