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started by krazyfranco on November 15, 2007

How do you do it? I'm stuck at like 21 mph average over 20-25 miles. Speedwork? More volume? Ideas?

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deepbluex posted 26 weeks ago.

I found that hillwork and longer distances in a harder-to-push gear helped me go faster. Spinning in easier gear helped me with my endurance but didn't develop my speed.

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UFTriGator posted 26 weeks ago.

Intervals. More volume will let you go farther at 21 mph. Intervals will make you go faster.

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krazyfranco posted 26 weeks ago.

What do you suggest for starting intervals? What are good places to do interval work?

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Iron Dan posted 26 weeks ago.

I like doing my interval work on the trainer.

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UFTriGator posted 26 weeks ago.

Everything from 1 min to 30 min. Mix it up to work all of the systems in your body. If you do the same workout all the time, you'll stagnate. For example, start with 4x5 min with 3 min rest, a few days later do 2x10 min with 5 min rest, a few days later do 8x1 min with 4 min rest, all with easy days between and all with plenty of warm-up and cool-down. Riding outside of the city is ideal IMO, but whatever you find will work if it's safe and lets you do your workout.

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Triguy98 posted 26 weeks ago.

I like 4 minutes on, 2 minutes x5 off to start. Up it to 6 mins on, 3 off, then 8 on, 4 off. After that, start adding more intervals.

An improved base will help you as well. Go long in the off season, and work on your form everyday. Spin ups and single leg pedaling.

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psychosyd posted 26 weeks ago.

that and go long. Maintaining a relatively hi level of effort. Meaning don't cruise. This really helped out my bike pace over longer distances.

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mdd posted 26 weeks ago.

Also keep in mind that you are still very new to the game so just getting out and riding WILL make you faster. Being young time is still very much on your side unlike us old guys... :(

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Nutty posted 25 weeks ago.

I do a lot of hills, as there seem to be a lot of them in my area. And thats been a huge help. Every ride seems to increase my speed.

After my first season i also switched from a steel frame that was too small for me and weighed more than my car, to a new spcialized allez and got tri bars. Difference in speed was ridiculous, but i do miss my old letour.

Just keep riding, the speed comes.

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BigGus posted 24 weeks ago.

Wear a skin tight spandex unitard like Freddie Mercury, preferably black and white, but shave those chest hairs.

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Sandman posted 24 weeks ago.

Basework long miles with some fast stuff mixed in, then intervals as other folks have posted and don't forget the tempo ride.

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UFTriGator posted 24 weeks ago.

BigGus;86238 wrote:
Wear a skin tight spandex unitard like Freddie Mercury, preferably black and white, but shave those chest hairs.

Or Cipollini....

At least he didn't die from AIDS.

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fluro2au posted 20 weeks ago.

The 1st step would be to increase your volume. By increasing your volume your basically giving your body more opportunities to adapt and grow. Once you have that sorted out then start inserting periods of higher intensity work.

For example, your stuck at 21mph over 20miles, then do 5 x 4miles repeats sitting on 22-23mph never take your eyes off your speedo and just do it. take whatever length of rest you need in order to make that speed goal. Rest long enough between intervals sothat by the time you start your next repeat your ready to lock into 22-23mph again. Over time as you get better at this you can reduce your rest intervals and or lengthen your actually intervals up to 4miles and evntually 2 x 10miles on a short recovery eg 2min RI.
Stick with the plan until you can reach the goals (ie 22-23mph for the whole set) only change it by making it more challenging once you have accomplished the challenge. make sense?In other words don't change the set until you have passed it 100%.
People have a tendency to try and progress a little too quickly. Take your time with this. It won't happen over night but it will happen through consistency, day in day out, month after month.

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UFTriGator posted 19 weeks ago.

Fluro2au, I think we come from very different schools of thought. LOL! Someone in another thread said that we'd get as many different answers as people giving them. Here's my take:

Take the computer off (or just ignore it). Keep your HR at 105% LT (ie, slightly anaerobic) and hold it there for 8 min. Take a 3 or 4 minute break (just enough to get your HR back down) then go again. Do it 4 times. The duration, intensity, and number of intervals will change with each workout. Sometimes I'll do 45 min straight at 95% LT, sometimes I'll do 10 x 60 sec at 120% LT (well, the 60 seconds interval doesn't have time to settle to that HR, but it's even intensity that will eventually end up at that HR for the last 10 sec or so). If you want to produce more steady-state power, you need to train at steady-state power. The terrain will cause your speed to change, but the power output will be the same. I've had 8 minute intervals that averaged less than 20 mph, and I've had 8 minute intervals that averaged over 30 mph doing the same amount of work at the same HR. To train consistently, you need a constant effort level, not constant speed or distance.

I completely agree with Fluro2au that you need to have a solid base under you before any of this and that it's going to take a while to get faster.

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fluro2au posted 19 weeks ago.

UFTriGator wrote:
Fluro2au, I think we come from very different schools of thought. LOL! Someone in another thread said that we'd get as many different answers as people giving them. Here's my take:

Take the computer off (or just ignore it). Keep your HR at 105% LT (ie, slightly anaerobic) and hold it there for 8 min. Take a 3 or 4 minute break (just enough to get your HR back down) then go again. Do it 4 times. The duration, intensity, and number of intervals will change with each workout. Sometimes I'll do 45 min straight at 95% LT, sometimes I'll do 10 x 60 sec at 120% LT (well, the 60 seconds interval doesn't have time to settle to that HR, but it's even intensity that will eventually end up at that HR for the last 10 sec or so). If you want to produce more steady-state power, you need to train at steady-state power. The terrain will cause your speed to change, but the power output will be the same. I've had 8 minute intervals that averaged less than 20 mph, and I've had 8 minute intervals that averaged over 30 mph doing the same amount of work at the same HR. To train consistently, you need a constant effort level, not constant speed or distance.

I completely agree with Fluro2au that you need to have a solid base under you before any of this and that it's going to take a while to get faster.

I do agree 100% with you. I wasn't sure if the guy uses a HR monitor or powermeter.
I too much prefer to ride to an effort whether it will be HR or power or RPE.

Paul

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blavelle posted 19 weeks ago.

also I'd reccomend threshhold rides. try 40k at 22.5 mph (slightly over your current average) the more you do these the less they hurt. the less it hurts the longer you can hold this speed for = the faster you go!

in short. wanna go faster? ride faster.

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