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started by SAchris on November 6, 2007

What am I supposed to do with my head? Is its looking forward, head up, water just above my goggles? Or head down, mostly underwater, looking at the bottom?

I try watching the people at the pool, but I can't really tell what they are all doing. Please help a new swimmer. Thanks.

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ston_ar posted 37 weeks ago.

You should be looking down at the bottom and a little in front of you. So in a pool you should be looking at the bottom of the pool about 5 feet in front of you.

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deepbluex posted 37 weeks ago.

mostly looking down at the bottom. Try not to lift your head up. This makes your legs sink and slow you down. You want to submerge your head.

You rotate your body and neck to come up for air and then you straighten out and go back down. Exhale while your face is underwater, inhale when your face gets exposed enough so you can take a breath.

Number of breath per stroke depends on comfort level. I tend to breathe often. Like, everytime my right arm comes up. Is that every stroke or every other stroke?

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SAchris posted 37 weeks ago.

So I should have my head totally under water? I will give it a shot next workout.

I would call that every other stroke deepbluex.

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jacmun posted 37 weeks ago.

Remember that swimming in the pool means you keep your head down, less resistance, better position for breathing etc.

However in open water you need to be able to take a look at your direction, unless someone has painted a line on the bottom of the sea. An early piece of advice I got was to look up for direction but save taking a breath for the normal side stroke. Thus you may see some ocean swimmers at the pool with a very upright head position. It can be very tiring on the neck if you are not used to this

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Iron Dan posted 37 weeks ago.

You pretty much want to have your neck and spine in perfect alignment. If you are looking up to much, you hips will lower and add more drag to swim stroke. If you are looking down to far, it makes it more difficult to breath and also adds more drag due to the position of your head.

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danpatgal posted 37 weeks ago.

Focusing on "downhill" swimming and rotating, not lifting, to breathe (pretend you are holding a tennis ball between your chin and chest), and, for triathlons, not looking down at all, but only looking out of the water when breathing to get used to 0 visibility in most open water swims has helped me a lot.

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deepbluex posted 37 weeks ago.

For the most part, I can navigate by only looking up for the buoys a couple of times per buoy and use the rest of the time by watching the direction everyone else is swimming near me to simply follow the herd. This allows me to keep my head down most of the time.

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Gary3 posted 37 weeks ago.

Your head should be looking down with a slight turn upwards. Just a piece of your skull should be visible above the water.

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SAchris posted 36 weeks ago.

I tried to get the "down hill" feeling yesterday and it felt like I was almost "forcing" my body and head down. Am I pushing too much?

I also felt like I was rocking back and forth the whole time trying to turn my body to breath rather than just my head. Is that the right feeling or am I rotating my body too much?

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psychosyd posted 36 weeks ago.

Your whole body should be rotating. This is the proper feeling. A good way to practice is the 'belly to the wall' drill. Where you kick on your side (with fins if needed) and try to get comfortable balancing in this position. Extend the arm closest to the bottom out in front of you, and keep the other arm down your side. Face the extended arm until you need to breath, and then turn your head to the surface ideally only exposing the minimum amount of your face that you need to breath comfortably.

This is a bit tough at first, but really gives you the 'swimming like a fish' feel.

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Ironmom posted 36 weeks ago.

psychosyd;85163 wrote:
Your whole body should be rotating. This is the proper feeling.

I disagree with this. While this is what is taught in the TI method, this idea of rotating the whole body takes much of the power out of your stroke. Imagine a baseball player, golfer, or quarterback who rotated their entire body instead of just their torso. Try it with a golf club or baseball bat in your hand. Instead of just twisting your torso, rotate your entire body, including your hips, as far as you rotate your torso. How much power do you have?

The power in any sport - whether throwing a punch in karate, or making a hole in one, or batting it out of the park - comes from the twisting of the torso relative to the core of the body. Unleashing the power of this giant "spring" is where your force comes from. Swimmers who rotate their entire body in a "belly to the wall" manner lose most of their power. Watch any video of a really good swimmer, like these of Ian Thorpe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P31XJ16C4Ag
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjbQp5fjBO0

and you can see the twisting of the torso, but not the turning of the whole body.

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Ironmom posted 36 weeks ago.

SAchris;84684 wrote:
So I should have my head totally under water? I will give it a shot next workout.

No, definitely do not have your head totally under the water. You will incur too much drag that way and it will negatively affect your body position. You should be looking mostly down, and slightly forwards. Your goggles and forehead should be covered. Keep your head in alignment with your spine instead of arching your neck upwards. Avoid pushing down on the water to breathe, instead rotate your head to the side and look backwards toward your stroking elbow.

Here's a video that shows distance-swimming head position.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTZ8c_lHKBo

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psychosyd posted 36 weeks ago.

Ironmom;85205 wrote:
I disagree with this. While this is what is taught in the TI method, this idea of rotating the whole body takes much of the power out of your stroke. Imagine a baseball player, golfer, or quarterback who rotated their entire body instead of just their torso. Try it with a golf club or baseball bat in your hand. Instead of just twisting your torso, rotate your entire body, including your hips, as far as you rotate your torso. How much power do you have?

The power in any sport - whether throwing a punch in karate, or making a hole in one, or batting it out of the park - comes from the twisting of the torso relative to the core of the body. Unleashing the power of this giant "spring" is where your force comes from. Swimmers who rotate their entire body in a "belly to the wall" manner lose most of their power. Watch any video of a really good swimmer, like these of Ian Thorpe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P31XJ16C4Ag
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjbQp5fjBO0

and you can see the twisting of the torso, but not the turning of the whole body.

And this is an ongoing debate! Personally, I find there is a difference in body rotation from sprinter (Ian Thorpe) and long distance swimmers. There is less rotation when you are kicking harder (sprinting) with triathlon swimming you rarely kick, and I find as a result I rotate more. As well there is a longer glide period with longer distance swimming witch allows the rotation in a 'fluid' movement.

the drill is to get the feeling, not what you will do while swimming. You never fully rotate. If you don't rotate at all you will suffer shoulder injuries as a result of forcing your body into a unnatural position. The power loss is there. Strong swimmers like Ian Thorpe are stronger, and thus able to gain more benefit from a power position, however, most of the rest of us will gain more benefit from an efficient position i.e. more rotation.

Just what I have learned from my experience, and it works for me.

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MarkyV posted 36 weeks ago.

SAchris;84673 wrote:
What am I supposed to do with my head? Is its looking forward, head up, water just above my goggles? Or head down, mostly underwater, looking at the bottom?

I try watching the people at the pool, but I can't really tell what they are all doing. Please help a new swimmer. Thanks.

Goggle strap should be perpendicular to the surface of the water. You should be looking straight down_. Keep head and body connected. Press the "T"

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MITriGuy posted 25 weeks ago.

What about those new speedo goggles designed by Phelps' coach that are supposed to promote proper head position? Are they any good?

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geochuck posted 24 weeks ago.

Head postion, not to deep not too high. Everyone is an individual and what suits me does not neccesarily fit you. Watch a vdeo of the top swimmers in the world and you will see varied head positions. Here are videos of two of the best Hackett and Thorpe.
http://swimdownhill.com/_wsn/page11.html

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AGFlorida posted 23 weeks ago.

I agree with deepbluex in that you don't have to continuously look forward in a race to stay on track. I have learned to periodically look up, facing forward with my goggles slightly above the water surface and spot the next big red triangular or round thing sitting on the water. Like someone else in this thread said, I do not take this opportunity to breathe because my mouth never breaches the surface. I will wait and breathe again on my next normal stroke. For the rest of the time, my head is down and hopefully I'm drafting off someone. Be careful when "following the pack". Maybe they're not taking the most efficient path either.

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vjohnson posted 23 weeks ago.

Trust me, I've spent more time swimming than sleeping in my lifetime. As long as the water isn't hitting your neck first and you can see where you are going it will be in a comfortable position. Always keep your elbows above your hands, catch the water and rotate your hips (they are stronger than your arms), and don't forget to breath and you'll be alright. Video tape yourself , swimming that is, it will help you to get an idea of what you "look like" in the pool.

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danpatgal posted 23 weeks ago.

I've also been experimenting with head position, since I saw some "real" swimmers appear to have more of their head out of the water than I did. I definitely agree with geochuck on this, depending on your body type, %fat, muscle distribution, etc., a positon that is good for one swimmer might be counterproductive for another. In my case just raising my head a little (I was looking down too far) was really instructive - I felt a reduction in drag immediately. It was a wonderfully amazing thing, and I'm sure I could still improve with some video analysis.