Leaving shoes on bike into T2
Pick up the bike and carry it? Can't weigh more than 5 or 6 lbs, right?
As someone using toe clips I don't have any practical experience with that.
I always have my feet out of my shoes coming into T2 - swing over and hit the ground running.
Now, one time the shoe rotated funny and actually popped out of the pedal when it hit the ground - so I had to go back for it.
However, every other time not a problem - and not really concerned if the shoe gets scuffed up a bit.
RV
It takes a long time to get good. - Scott Molina
Slow is smooth; smooth is fast. - Rich Strauss
I think heel scuffing is an unavoidable part of the trade off. In exchange you get faster transitions and less wear on your cleats.
I stopped coming off the bike this way on longer races because I made a minor biff once due to leg fatigue. But on shorter races it's still smoother and easier.
My shoes are always on my bike for races. I wear 47's, so you can see that my shoes would drag a little, and they did at first.
When you first get off your bike, and are running, pick the back end of the bike up a bit, this will level out the crank arms and likely prevent the shoe from catching.
I use Shimano SPD-SL pedals, and for races, I crank the tension most of the way up. The shoes do NOT come out of the pedals unless you want em to. The only time I have seen shoes pop of pedals while transitioning have both been with Speedplay pedals. Nice pedals, just bad for transitions.
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If I get the pedals perfectly level my shoes can hover along without really hitting the ground (maybe slight scraping). But usually things are not perfectly level and you will hit a shoe fairly hard and possibly scuff them. Fortunately scuffs are a purely aesthetic problem so it never concerned me much. And I've never had a shoe come out of the pedal, though I definitely see how it could happen.
As for carrying the bike, a completed bike would weight well over 5-6 lbs. But it still should be no biggie to carry a bike, I just imagine running alongside of a rolling bike is much easier, especially when tired.
... The only time I have seen shoes pop of pedals while transitioning have both been with Speedplay pedals. Nice pedals, just bad for transitions.
Actually, I use Speedplay Zero pedals. The one hit pretty hard and didn't pop out. Picking the bike up to balance the pedals seems like a good idea - I'll give it a shot.
I'm puzzled.
Leaving the shoes on the pedals is a move to make transitions faster because you need those precious seven seconds that this maneuver saves you..
yet you worry about scuffing the shoes.
Fair enough, but what is really important to you here?
If nothing important is being decided by the saving of seven seconds why not just dismount in the usual way and save the scuffing?
I've seen a lot of crazy maneuvers tried by folks to save seconds when they aren't threatening anybody in the top 100 places in their age group. Unless you are really in with a chance to win the damn race, relax, enjoy the experience. Smell the roses.
Perspective.
PoC
"Pain doesn't last, chicks dig scars, glory is forever!"
- Shane Falco.

I've seen a lot of crazy maneuvers tried by folks to save seconds when they aren't threatening anybody in the top 100 places in their age group. Unless you are really in with a chance to win the damn race, relax, enjoy the experience. Smell the roses.
If you don't do everything in your power to save seconds from your race you will never be in contention to win one. ;)
I definitely understand what you're saying about enjoying the race, but it is a race after all. I hope to never recognize a flower that I pass during a race, let alone stop to smell it.
I think its safe to say that if you are aren't in the top 100 in your age group, the seven seconds won't matter anyway and the real trade off is that every time you see your scuffed up shoes, you will spend way more than the seven seconds thinking about why you ever tried it in the first place.
Goals in writing are dreams with deadlines – Brian Tracy
2008 Sprint Tri A race goals
S: 500m in 10:00 – FS Stroke only
B: 22mph avg over course
R: 5K <= 25:00
Place top 50% for my age group
I think its safe to say that if you are aren't in the top 100 in your age group, the seven seconds won't matter anyway and the real trade off is that every time you see your scuffed up shoes, you will spend way more than the seven seconds thinking about why you ever tried it in the first place.
When I enter a race to "race it" (relative, I know) I don't think that the top 100 is necessarily why I'm pushing in a race. I'm going for a PR. I might be last in my age group, but I want to do my best time and see if and how much I've improved. When I enter a race for fun, that's when I take those extra bits of time for the experience and flowers :)
(although I haven't tried leaving my shoes on my bike yet)
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Triathlons are races.
Of course, for most of us, it is against ourselves and going for PR's.
However, it is not mutually exclusive wanting to have fun and enjoy a race, with going all out and trying to save time where ever possible.
I enjoy a race the most when I know I did everything that I could to complete it as fast as I am able.
RV
It takes a long time to get good. - Scott Molina
Slow is smooth; smooth is fast. - Rich Strauss
I always leave my shoes on the bike and never cared where the crank arms are. No cuffs on my shoes (at least from T2).
In a mass start swim you know where you are in you AG, but when you go in sets of two based on swim time; you have to push ever steap and grab seconds wherever you can. You have no idea where your nearest compitition is.
As Kylie and others say, while I'm never going to contend for a podium spot, I'm definitely out there to go as hard as I can and it is satisfying to sometimes beat those that are a similar caliber to you. There are races within a race...
Consider the scuffs a badge of honor, that way others setting up in transition will see the scuffed heels and say, this aint no poser, this is a racer!
Seriously though, I think I went 2-3 months this summer where my tri shoes never came off my bike as I practice mounting and dismounting every ride. When dismounting, I give a little push off with my left foot as my right foot is hitting the ground. This seems to rotate the crankarm back enough so that the shoe is higher off the ground and the heel rarely hits. I'm not worried about my heel getting scuffed, but am worried about the shoe popping off and losing time that way.
Oh, and watch out how used to doing that you get if you have a road bike. Took the road bike out 2 weeks ago for only the second or third ride on it all year. Used my road shoes that have lots of straps and buckles and are not made to easily be unstrapped like my tri-shoes. Coasted to the driveway, unclipped the right foot and swung it over the bike then coasted down the driveway to garage and went to step off. Right foot still in right shoe with right leg trailing left. Left foot still in left shoe which is still clipped to pedal. Slick cleat on right foot hits pavement, left foot still clipped in, down I went! Luckily no one was around!
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If you don't do everything in your power to save seconds from your race you will never be in contention to win one. ;)I definitely understand what you're saying about enjoying the race, but it is a race after all. I hope to never recognize a flower that I pass during a race, let alone stop to smell it.
heh. Your point is understood. If you are doing sprint races it is all about frenzy, and that's part of the excitement - smell the flowers later. Sprints are over before I'm warmed up, but you quoted the wrong paragraph - that was just me editorializing, my message for CarlyBoy was in this one:
If nothing important is being decided by the saving of seven seconds why not just dismount in the usual way and save the scuffing?
I think if I saved saved 30 seconds at IMC it would move me from finisher #2012 to finisher #2011 - maybe. :) so I'm not risking going down like kkocan did! too embarrassing ..and painful!
enjoy your race anyway you can,
PoC
"Pain doesn't last, chicks dig scars, glory is forever!"
- Shane Falco.

Yep, it absolutely depends on the type of race you're doing. In IM seconds don't matter much but in a sprint they might be everything to you.
And actually, the main reason I began clipping my shoes into the pedals this year is because I couldn't see any practical way to run in shoes that have road cleats. In my first year I wore mountain biking shoes with recessed cleats and I didn't clip them in because running in them was not difficult. Then again they were lace up shoes instead of velcro so I wasted enough transition time already!
why not just put a little piece of duct tape on the bottom of the heel before each race. Should stay on long emough during the race, and when you are done, you can just peel it off? that should prevent the scuffing if the shoe scrapes on the ground.
I agree with everyone on racing and doing the best you can and saving seconds where you can as well. I was merely suggesting that if you are the type of person who will fret and regret about the scuffs on your shoes (which is perfectly fine considering the cost of these things) then you probably shouldn't utilize this technique for your tranistion.
The Duct type idea sounds like a good one, although Duct tape tends to leave glue behind when you scrape it off especially if it has been sitting in the sun.
Race on!
Goals in writing are dreams with deadlines – Brian Tracy
2008 Sprint Tri A race goals
S: 500m in 10:00 – FS Stroke only
B: 22mph avg over course
R: 5K <= 25:00
Place top 50% for my age group
Yep, it absolutely depends on the type of race you're doing. In IM seconds don't matter much but in a sprint they might be everything to you.
Certainly more critical in a Sprint, but even when doing an IM I will transition the same way as in a short race. For me, it maintains the mindset of racing.
RV
It takes a long time to get good. - Scott Molina
Slow is smooth; smooth is fast. - Rich Strauss
yet you worry about scuffing the shoes.
PoC
I read his entry, caught the scuff thing, but focused on the bike getting jacked in the air thing. That's what bother me about my shoes catching. The scuffs are secondary. I think everyone just ran with the scuff thing. The bike getting jacked throws off the flow as youre running through transition, and can results in a dropped bike. Screw the shoes :D
Life is short. Play hard and get dirty doing it.
If you're holding the bike by the seat instead of the handlebars, it's much less likely to bounce up if you hit something (like your shoe on the ground). If it does bounce up though, you are much less likely to lose control of the bike. You can also run faster if you're holding the seat.
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Not fast enough.
It doesnt bounce at all anymore since i pick the seat up to rotate the pedals. And i always run holding the seat, its so much smoother.
Life is short. Play hard and get dirty doing it.







oztrigal got me to thinking of something I've always wanted to do but couldn't get it to work, namely, leaving the bike shoes on the bike coming into T2. I tried this and as I was running along beside my bike the pedal rotated forward, the heel of the shoe hit the ground and with nowhere else to go, the bike launched into the air slightly. No big deal ..except my brand new shoes got quite badly scuffed up at the heel. I abandoned the practice, but maybe there's some improvement I could make that would prevent this from happening?