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10-05-2005, 09:18 AM
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Running Form: How Should You Run?
Discussion on the latest training article: Running Form: How Should You Run?
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10-05-2005, 11:30 AM
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Cool, I need all the help I can get.
I'm trying to work on this stuff at the moment, it feels wierd, but I definately see the benefits. Anyone who has perfected this, does it take a while for this to become second nature? I can currently only do it all for about 1k at a time before my muscles get tired (I guess from using different ones to what I am used to running). Brian |
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10-05-2005, 11:32 AM
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Thanks Tribro!
I have been working on some of this. I tend to run "hunchy" which isnt so good  |
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10-05-2005, 12:31 PM
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In the same boat - trying to improve the run efficiency. Not an easy thing to change - easy to lose that proper form when get tired. Have quite a ways to go - but that is what the off-season is for - right?
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10-05-2005, 01:26 PM
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What a great article, looking forward to trying it on tonights run. I know that the finger placement is great for keeping your shoulders and neck relaxed. Still a long way to go to becoming an efficient runner
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10-05-2005, 01:27 PM
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Good stuff!
I have read conflicting articles about what position your head should be in though. This one said look at the ground in front of you 3-5 meters ahead while I have read others that said eyes straight ahead. Which is right? I am definitely going to look into some run coaching this off season. I have never been a very strong runner. In addition I had ACL reconstruction about 13 years ago from playing too much soccer. Any suggestions on good books / coaching? Thanks, T |
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10-05-2005, 04:37 PM
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It’s the first time I hear someone says to feel your cheeks bouncing with each stride. I’m going to try to do that next time! But I don’t think is a good sign. In long runs when I’m really tired I feel many muscles bounce, which make think, why is good to feel your cheeks bounce?. Well may be is an expression, I don’t know. I do relax my head opening and closing the jaw while adoing face expressions, drop the shoulders, and rotate the neck.
Maybe the action of trying to feel the bouncing focus your mind to be relax? I think the approach of looking 3-5 meters in front of you makes your body incline forward, therefore moving faster. |
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10-05-2005, 04:51 PM
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Cheeks
 Doh! I read this post before reading the article it was about and wondered why my thinking on the matter was "what are they going on about? my cheeks always bounce when I run!!". Read the article and realised you're all discussing a whole different kind of cheeks!! heh heh - definite blonde moment  Would have had so much fun during my next run focussing on my bouncing cheeks... |
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10-05-2005, 10:04 PM
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Does anyone "Bend slightly forward from the waist" as the article suggests? That puts me on the fast track to lower back pain by the end of a run. It also seems counter-productive to "Try to run with your hips forward" and "Pretend as if you have a rope tied around your waist and someone is pulling you forward with it".
I definitely agree with the entire "Feet" section. Changing from a heel-striker to a mid-striker made my knee problems disappear. |
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10-06-2005, 09:11 AM
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The previous poster maes several excellent points. My research disagrees with the article on three points.
First, all efficient runners land with the weight almost entirely on the forefoot. This is important both for economy and injury resistance. How people do run and how they should run are two different things. Second, efficient runners (of any speed) lean forward about 6 degrees in a straight line from the ankle, definitely not bent from the waist. Bending at the waist puts excessive strain on the muscles and connective tissues of the low back and prevents optimal hip extension to generate propulsion. Third, head position is critical because of how it affects torso position and balance. Runners tend to look down, which shifts the head forward, requiring the torso to lean backward to some degree in order to counterbalance the weight of the head. Efficient runners tend to maintain a head position looking up at the horizon and glance downward with their eyes, not their whole heads. This enables the 6 degree forward lean and greater efficiency. Anyone interested in learing more about running tehnique, go to www.EvolutionRunning.com Thanks for posting this article to generate a great discussion, Ken
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10-06-2005, 09:35 AM
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I've been lurking in the forums for quite a while. First of all, thanks everyone for your insights and stories. They're very helpful.
TBRAVO -- I live in Phoenix and have worked with a running coach who completely revolutionized my running. He videotaped how I ran, pinpointed my specific problems and then gave me strength building exercises to overcome them. He spends about 90 minutes with each client to assess where they are and then makes recommendations for them. His Web site is: http://www.runningassessment.com/index.php Emily |
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10-06-2005, 10:12 AM
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I read the post and when I read the "cheeks bouncing" I was thinking the same cheeks you were. That is a perk of doing tri's observing the cheeks of other in skimpy spandex .
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10-06-2005, 10:16 AM
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Good stuff as always
I just read the las article about good running technique...
I have to say that I have been trying what it explains and i have to say that it makes a huge difference... Speacially I have been trainning my midsection a lot to imporve my posture while i am running...and with the tips that article describes it really helps to improve in time and in energy saving...for example I used to look down a lot while I run...and used to give me a horrible neck pain after a few miles...also that posture interferes with a good breathing pattern, and also wears you out mentally..as the article says...a good posture is critical, but...! requires some discipline... Hasta la vista! |
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10-06-2005, 10:31 AM
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I really like Ken's comments.
I have made some improvement by picturing a string coming out of the top of my head pulling up and just a tad (for about 6 degrees foreward from the ankles actually) ahead. Then as I learned in mountain biking- however far down the trail you are looking, look farther. I used to feel like I run like a wrestler. I've improved to running like a rugby player. Soon like a triathlete. Garth |
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10-06-2005, 10:54 AM
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Being that i have been a runner competitively for a number of years and also now make my living as a track and cross country coach, a lot of what the article mentions is similar to what we try and work on with posture and technique. TBRAVO - depending on how in depth you want to get, there are some books out by a man by the name of Jack Daniels (not the drink) who is a great mind when it comes to distance running and training. The problem is that sometimes he can be very technical and it isn't for the average reader. I'm sure that he touches on some running technique but right off of the top of my head i cant remember.
As far as the looking down vs. keeping the head neutral. I tend to try and tell my runners to focus ahead and look at the middle of the back of the person ahead of you. Using the horizon as a reference point is good too. Video tapes are a great means for anyone to "self-assess" their own technique. Set up the camera or have someone tape you from the side but make sure to get a complete shot of head to toe.
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I'd love for you guys to see my stride and totally skew it! I do everything the way it "should" be done, and still my stride is a bit... funky... I find that barefoot strides help me out a bit, but i guess its just a result of my weird proportions. |
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10-06-2005, 11:42 AM
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Here is a link to Ken's running style. I found this interesting. The last part is a pic of a guy running, demostrating the proper tech. I use this style now and love it.
Oh, in addition, if you use the right/left arrows on the keyboard as the guy is running, while you're watching the video, you can make him go forwards and back slow. That really shows the tech in the form of his style he trying to promote. BBB http://www.endurancefilms.com/runpreview.html
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You're now dressed like the guy on page. The one in the speedo.
Are you??
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10-06-2005, 12:34 PM
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He might not have the coolest shorts on, but he did just easily win the I.T.U. World Championship in Japan.
http://www.fitness-concepts.com/Duplinsky.htm Ken
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