I was hoping for a kylie but alas :( she'll be stuck in school...
Did you run this weekend?...oh right, the Irish War or something like that...
I'll work on some other trifuelers...it would be fun to get 3 more from this bunch!

There were definitely teams of 6/ultra teams when I did it, but I'm not seeing that info on their site now -- I have sent out an email to see.

I do think I'll be stuck at school... and if not stuck there I won't know until probably after January (when I will know who to talk to at the school). I'm definitely disappointed... I was excited until I made the date connection :(

Well, after running 11 miles last Wednesday, and feeling like my entire body was inflamed, I thought I'd better take a break. :rolleyes: And I've found that for me, taking 3-4 days completely off a few weeks out from a race really helps me recharge and recover.

Anyway, what are you calling Beads...AGWK??? Could be a good time to chat with him about the WWR...when he's a little spacy from running :)

Just catching up on all things trifuel.

I don't get automatic announcements anymore ;-P

The JFK is going to be my step up to Ultras and I am already looking at 100 milers.

The realy looks like It would be a blast, and I am always up for a challenge. I might be able to swing some vacation time next summer :D

I don't have anything booked yet for August 8th and 9th so I'll pencil it in :D

Well well, we may have ourselves a team of 6! Come on Kylie! We have til November 1st to get everyone on board...maybe we should start a WWR post so we can chat about the details without boring everyone else looking at the UR post.

Actually its my UR buddy that I'm pretty sure is in. I'll double check with her this weekend...but I think she's hooked too :)

So, I was reading an ultra running book about walking during UR. The benefits of walking are clear (lower your HR, use fat for energy, mental break, etc). The author's suggestion was to run 25 minutes, then walk 5 minutes. What are your thoughts about that? He was talking more specifically for a 100-mile or 24-hour race, and the 5 minutes makes sense for that distance...but would you walk that long in a 50K or 50 miler?

There is no hard and fast about walking breaks...my advice is to find what works for you. (sorry). 25/5 works good for some others prefer10/1,others 5/1. on accurately measured courses, run a mile walk a minute is common. Play with it...
an example: For the JFK 50 miler the first 15 miles are road and mostly trail...walk the ups...run the downs and flats. the next 26.3 are on a flat dirt road with mile markers so I've done both run a mile/ walk a minute and 5/1. the last 8 iles are on a rolling road and it's 5/1 or walk the ups again...
At a 50k in Canada on the road I ran 20/1.
I prefer shorter walking breaks...although I have used the 25/5, so Iusually limit my breaks to 1 minute...sometimes though in ultras it flips...and becomes 1/5! but it shouldn't for a 50k.
I have met folks who have walked the whole of a 50 miler and 100 miles for that matter,but they needed a 30 to 36 hours cut off for that.
Many Ur's in a 24 hour or 100 miler do nothing but walk at night especially on trails...but if you've worked on your walking you can still make 4+ mph. I know several folks said ,and you can find it at Kevin Sayers web site that most folks generally don't run any more in a 100 than they do in a 50 miler....but that is for the common folk.
Again...you have to find what works for you...I did, and know that several variations will work for me...always good to have more than one method in your quiver.

Ok, so we did our 23-mile run this morning, the last long one before the 50k in two weeks. The first 14 miles, I felt awesome! I'm sure having 5 days off helped a lot. But I've been noticing that I kinda hit the wall around mile 15-16. I felt shaky and had dead-legs. Maybe its because we stoped at our cars and refuel and stretch for too long, maybe I hadn't taken in enough electrolytes (its still freakin' hot here) or...?

I took another 2 electrolytes and walked some (just like last time) and I began to feel better. But those last few miles were tough. So we walked more, but it seems that the more we walk, the harder it is to run. Thoughts on that one?

My longest run for this race was 23 miles, with a next-day run of around 3. That's at least 5 miles and/or another hour of running that I'll have to tack on come race day. Every run seems to take longer than the last, without additional mileage. I'm a little freaked about being an hour shy (at least) of the goal, and that I'm going to struggle alot. Any encouraging words?

I just finished reading Ultramarathon Man by Dean Karnazes. Its good motivation, with my 50k coming up on Saturday. If you haven't read it, he tells about his Western States Ultra, Badwater, South Pole Marathon and finally the 199-mile relay that he ran solo (reminded me of the WWR). I feel like an pansy "just" running a 50K...but ya gotta start somewhere :) And I have a feeling this is just the start....

I know, I know...he's the Lance Armstrong of ultrarunning. However, that doesn't discount his accomplishments. Just being able to read people's experiences in 100's and watching movies like Running on the Sun (which I will watch again this week ;) ) help me keep perspective and motivation. So if any of you have wrttien a race report on a longer race...lead me to it!

Last weekend and this week have been very low running miles...I'm getting antsy! You know the feeling. Saturday's on its way..... And it looks as though a "cool front" (which may drop the temps 5 degrees and lower the humidity) my be coming just in time!

Good Luck!!

From what I have read and heard from others take it easy in the beginning, and make sure you walk on the hills and when you think you need a rest. :D

Best of luck!! Can't wait to read the race report :)

Ok, now that I have a looong run under my belt, will you give me some advice on these 3 questions:

1. In the race Saturday I had a full feeling in my stomach and I didn't feel I could take in any calories after three hours. I had eaten a Hammer bar and 200 cal's of Sustained Energy around 2 hours before the race. Is the problem that I didn't allow enough time to digest it? Someone mentioned that I may have been dehydrated, which gives a similar feeling...could that be it? Or...? (I didn't have this problem at IMA after eating the same breakfast).

2. How do YOU overcome your "wall?" And how many can I expect as I start running longer distances?

3. Sorry for being gross...but...what do you do about toenail fungus or black toenails? I have a toenail that's being pushed away from the skin and though its hard, I could probably peel it off. What's the key to toenail care?

OK, since everyone bailed on the WWR :( ....what other ultras are you doing in 2008? Maybe I'll come to you....

I'll see how the JFK 50 goes first, but 100 miler is definitely is in my head. :D

You guys must be getting excitd about the JFK! Feeling ready? I can't wait to hear about it...

Oh yeah, I lost my first toenail :) (Kinda hard to believe that after all these years of running and tri its my first!) Does that make me an official ultra-girl? Heehee

I'm very excited to watch beads suffer for 10 hours!
My new challenge will be to keep my ears from bleeding after 10 hours of non-stop beadsism's, foul jokes and oorah's ;)
It'll be fun!

The JFK Name Game edition!

Sorry Anton... where is that article?

As far as ultras, I'm trying to decide if a 50k the first weekend in Dec would still be a good idea. I haven't been running as much as usual with a week of vacation, a week of sick, and a week or so of smokey air from the fires.

Oops! http://www.runnersworld.com/article/0,7120,s6-238-267--11330-0,00.html

Hadn't had enough caffine yet!
Oh the joy to be 53 and having a 20 something wonder where my article is...

Well if you can't fold a pillow correctly, how can you get on with your day?
What you described sounds like a 'Six Day." Mostly just a biking thing now on an indoor track complete with sleeping tents in the center and fake plants. The Amsterdam 6 Day just finished this week. They used to be common as running events in the US about 100 years ago. (nothing new under the sun, folks). Like the Madison Square Garden 6 Day...folks would run for 6 days on an indoor track with naps and such, eating while walking...most distance won.
Thanks for the dream time..even if it was just about running ;)

I'm still not sure. I haven't been getting in the long runs I had been hoping for, and while I really want to do an ultra I don't want to do it in a way that makes me have to take a running break! So we'll see... How long with the IM fitness from late Aug last? I've done a couple long runs since then... but the last was mid Oct for 15 miles (not even super long). It looks like nothing over 16 since the IM in Aug... so perhaps it would be smarter to wait.

And Anton that was a fun read :)

I think Freud would have some interesting thought on your dream.
Anton doesn't get on my nerve at all. Our long runs together have been a very Zen experience. I don't think I get on Anton's last nerve, though sometimes I am amazed he isn't. I am a babbling brook.