Has anyone ever tried one of these.
http://www.amazon.com/Expand-A-Lung-Breathing-Resistance-Exerciser/dp/B0...
I was wondering if it would really help. I have read some reviews but wanted to check here as well.
Has anyone ever tried one of these.
http://www.amazon.com/Expand-A-Lung-Breathing-Resistance-Exerciser/dp/B0...
I was wondering if it would really help. I have read some reviews but wanted to check here as well.
The link didn't work - but I
The link didn't work - but I tried one a couple years back - I thought it was a waste of money..
Looks like torture to me. I
Looks like torture to me. I have never used one, but for people with healthy lungs/CP systems I am not seeing how this is going to do much besides add to your pile of crazy gear that triathletes get made fun of for having (you know, the low drag shoe laces for faster lace times, aero toothbrush for high velocity brushing, and low density oxygenated water so your 3.4lb bike isn't weighed down with all of that heavy water). Having done no research into their claims I'm going to chalk this one up to VERY skeptical. They never come down and say how it will actually improve your performance, just that it "strengthens your respiratory muscles" which might be true, but I have never heard of or actually stopped a bout of exercise because my diaphragm was tired. Think about how frequently you breath... What kind of muscular endurance do you think that these muscles have adapted to have? Hint: they are working on it as you sit there reading my overpaid thoughts.
As for claims of increased lung volume, I'm not seeing how this will increase lung volume in a way that normal exercise wouldn't. You haven't actually increased the bodies demand for O2 (which actually isn't what limits exercise anyway) or gas exchange, the body cavity that houses the lungs hasn't changed volume, and their isn't actually any increased pressure put on them (no matter how long or hard you work to achieve 1 ATM pressure in the lungs it's still just 1 ATM) until the abdominal muscles take over and then the lungs are not being stressed, the rib cage and associated muscles are. Their research with patients with COPD is a little bit more interesting, but I'm not sure that they are not taking results from that and stating it without forgetting to tell you that these results were obtained from a patient population with serious pathology (probably not you).
Being that exerciser is CO2 limited, not O2 limited (look it up, shocking but true) to me to enhance performance you would be looking at muscles that improve exhalation (abdominal m.). This still wouldn't help with expelling CO2 as the limiting step is not your respiratory rate (this has been tested extensively and is actually a good read). Anyway, these muscles are not only burly, but also quite good at doing a lot of work and you can exercise those much more efficiently by joining in on the dreaded "Trifule XX days of Core." Speaking of which, what ever happened to those? Have I just been blanking them out or have they stopped showing up as often?
I don't see any obvious avenues for HUGE gains, but am open to them being presented by someone who has done more research than I have. Also, I would be interested to see if this $30 wonder could out perform a treatment of standard breathing exercises or maybe even just breathing through a coffee/soda straw. If you decide to get one I'd be interested to know what you think of it etc, but I'll just put $30 towards other toys of beer. :)
Jnrice, Thanks for the
Jnrice,
Thanks for the detailed reply it was exactly what I was looking for. Now for a little background and the reason for the question: I have had some issues with breathing (obviously). I started running approx year and a half ago and with my coach, and as an avid triathlete I wanted to make the jump as well. I had previously been a smoker and Monday with be my 4th full year without one. My coach and I had my running time down to consistent 8:00-8:30 miles. Out of the blue I start to get this cough and very winded in the middle or even the beginning of my runs. There was no rhyme or reason for the coughing or the shortness of breath.
Sometimes I would have the shortness of breath sometimes not. I may have it on a 5miler and a day or so later not have it on a 15 miler.....again no real reason. No obvious changes in weather environment etc. My running times suffered greatly and it was almost depressing considering the progress. Swimming became impossible. I would be lucky if I could get through one or two 50's before I had to rest.
Fast forward a little and I have had so many tests that my insurance company seems to think I’m an experiment for the local medical community. I have had an allergy test(s), which are all negative other than dust. I had a 21 day course of prednisone with no results or change. I have had a basic pulmonary function test (negative.) I was actually 33% above where for a person of my age etc. I had a methacholine challenge, which is where they try and induce and asthma attack with chemicals.....they couldn’t get me to have an attack. I have been given two types of inhalers, symbacort and Xopenex. I don’t notice a change when I use either medication. And told to take an over the counter heart burn med and with an allergy med. The cough disappeared when I stopped taking another prescribed medication. Which has totally confused the medical people even though it’s listed as a side effect of the meds. A question I asked very early on. It was only when I researched the meds myself that I discovered this. At one point the Dr suggested I stop swimming biking and running “just to see” what happens. Um yeah right that’s not happening.
SO, you see my frustration. That’s why I was hoping a little $30 dollar gadget might help. I may just try it to see. I don’t have much else to lose at this point other than the $$ but who really needs money anyway. I suppose I could ask for donations.
If anyone has any suggestions or Ideas I’m all ears! As a side note I shoved 50 of those coffee straws in my mouth as I was diving to work today. Im pretty sure thats why the lady next to me in traffic hit the car in front of her and why I have coffee down the front of my pants. I couldnt quite get 50 in my cup so the coffee leaked everywhere. But hey gotta start somewhere right? :)
I'm guessing your doctor
I'm guessing your doctor gave you a chest x-ray? Not to pry, but I hope so. I was a smoker from 16 years old until around 36 and took up running seriously when I was 38. I'm almost 42 now. I have not had any issues such as yours. I insist every physical on an EKG and a chest X-ray because of my history along with family history. Good luck on getting it taken care of. I wouldn't trade this either! Sorry I was no help on the breathing device. I had looked at those before but never have bought one.
Thanks pagnopj, I did have
Thanks pagnopj,
I did have EKG's X2, one for my work physical during all of the other tests and one at the request of the pulmonologist. Speaking of the EKG my employer requires one every year so I was able to see the last three years of EKG's. All of them were good and almost identical. I also had a chest x-ray.
Did the put you on a tread
Did the put you on a tread mill or bike and run you during your ekg? This is very interesting, but again my thoughts don't jump to weak muscles of inspiration. Also assume that standard blood tests done and wnl? On my phone sorry for the short reply. I will do some reading tomorrow and let you know if I find anything. Interesting.
I wish they would put me on
I wish they would put me on the bike or let me run a mile a two and see if we can get it to happen. I have several blood draws as to what they looked for I have no idea. When I enquired as to the results I was told everything was normal and where it all should be.
I would think with my smoking history that the shortness of breath would show up while I was smoking or at a minium pretty quickly after I quit not 4 years later.
Well, if you don't have
Well, if you don't have these issues outside of exercising it seems like a logical next step would be to look at things like exercise induced asthma, which is found in something like 10-15% of the general population. It's fine and dandy that the injected you with all sorts of things looking for reactions but some people just react to exercise, and the trigger can be as mundane as a change in how you are breathing when you run (cold air tends to aggravate this condition and when you start working harder you breath more through your mouth, not warming the air in the sinuses etc ...). Their might be a new pollen in the air that is fairly uncommon, who knows. Allergies can come and go and can range in severity (what a joy hu?) so I'm not sure if you can ever totally rule out allergy.
Without knowing your case I still think it would be a good idea to look into a test that will challenge your cardio pulmonary system like it is when you have these attacks. That being said it would probably be good to have a doctor of some sort around (maybe not a dentist or optometrist). I really dislike the suggestion of "just stop exercising" as it doesn't really tell you what is causing these attacks, only what is not causing them. I also don't think "don't exercise" is a good suggestion for ANYONE. In the mean time if you don't have these problems exercising at lower intensities, and you don't have symptoms, it might help you avoid the coughing/shortness of breath. Anything that is getting after your air needs to be dealt with ASAP for obvious reasons.
The control of exercise educed asthma is far from perfect, but is getting better and the inhalers might not be a good management system for you. If the cough disappeared after you dumped another med and something else can take it's place then I'd say good to that one. Drug interactions are tricky to say the least, and are different for everyone so the best thing you can do is doing exactly what you are doing. Never take a drug without asking "what do you hope this will do for me?", "what are my options?", "How long do you want me to take this?" and "What are the risks?" Every pharmacy should have mountains of information on every script that you have and should be available upon request. How your body reacts to the drugs you are on can also change (again, oh joy, right?). Stick with it, you'll get it figure out. Remember, you pay for your Dr.'s visits, you don't need to feel bad about asking questions.
Oh, and insurance companies are statisticians that found a way to make their degree profitable. They don't have you do anything that won't save them money. Their tests don't actually seek to find out what is wrong, just how they can hedge their bets. ;)
Rbox3r wrote: I would think
[quote=Rbox3r]
I would think with my smoking history that the shortness of breath would show up while I was smoking or at a minium pretty quickly after I quit not 4 years later. [/quote]
Depending on how long you smoked and how your body dealt with it and the infinite confounding variables that is "life" who knows what things happened to your lungs from long term exposure. It's not a black and white issue and their is no mathematical equation that can tell you what's going on. The risks of smoking is that you expose delicate tissues to things that you don't need to. Their are people who will smoke 5 packs a day and live to be 90, their are people who will smoke nothing riskier than salmon and end up with respiratory issues. Just make sure that your Dr. knows your smoking history and all of that jazz. Like I said, you'll figure this out.
Rbox3r wrote: I would think
[quote=Rbox3r]
I would think with my smoking history that the shortness of breath would show up while I was smoking or at a minium pretty quickly after I quit not 4 years later. [/quote]
It is commonly believed that lungs do clean themselves out and regenerate themselves. As with anything, there is always some price to pay for some action, but over time, your lungs do recover substantially.
Just read an interesting
Just read an interesting article on "belly breathing" on runnersworld. I may have to see if that helps any.
I have this device, and I do
I have this device, and I do think it helps a little bit.... But don't depend on it. I bought it mainly because I was having breathing issues, like exercise induced asthma... I would cough and weeze after a hard workout, and this didn't start until I became very active just a few years ago. After not wanting to be on inhalers, I kept googling, and found out that stomach issues can cause breathing issues. I went to a Pulmonoligist and we decided to do an Upper GI series and an endoscopy, which told us that my L.E.S. allows food to come back up (GERD/Acid Reflux) and it causes "Reflux Laringitis".
I am working on my reflux with phosphoric acid, rather than the pills that the Dr wanted me to take, and its helping a lot. But I do use this device and notice that when I keep up with it and use it often, my breathing is stronger and I am able to hold a longer breath. You could probably get a lot out of filling up balloons as well, but this device allows you to breath in as well. I recently started swimming more and I do believe this helps with that probably the most.
Just a quick update: I had
Just a quick update: I had another Dr's appt today. Basically he said I was the fittest patient he had other than a (his words) "world class triathlete" who comes in. Wish i knew who that was...damn HIPPA. I also had a ecocardiogram (sic) and they went through it very thoroughly and did not see any heart problems at all. The dr says he doesn't believe there is anything wrong and I can resume all and any activities I want to pursue. He thinks the shortness of breath is just because I swim bike and run.
I just wish it had not taken all spring and summer to figure this out. I missed all of my planned events and I didnt train as planned based on what the dr said. Im sure he's correct in telling me not to do too much until we figure things out and treat you like a guinea pig. There is always next year.
I would work on your
I would work on your capacity naturally, wouldn't trust any sort of tool to do this, but maybe thats just me :)