I don't really understand your question as it's kinda complex, depending on gender, age, physical challenged...
I was part of the 82% that finished. Finishers in 2011 were down from the 2010 inagrual year were 85% finished.
I'm writing my race report, will be posting it in the next few days; I have to write a novel with 10K words of course so as not to exclude any of the fun :)
The Kona time is the slowest time that qualified for Kona taking into account the roll down. It's common parlance (that I just made up). Each age group will have a Kona time. (I think you have to be there to know how far it rolls down, so that's why I asked here.)
And you should probably just guess, based on statistical probability, that I would fall into the largest age group 30-34M ;) (Or is that 35-39? Anyway, I'm 30-34.)
I am going to start training seriously to try and qualify and I'm looking at the different races.
Anyway, any details would be appreciated (I'm looking at J from Jackson Hole since he seems to know a lot of fast folk!).
What is in the trifuel water today? All the snarkiness.
Yes, most of us know what is meant by the "Kona time" you mentioned, we all know that it is specific to age and gender It usually takes awhile, but results are posted and "kona qualifier" is a search field that can be included. It doesn't appear to have been posted with the qualifiers yet. You'll need to be patient, or do the work yourself.
[quote=dkhartung]What is in the trifuel water today? All the snarkiness.
Yes, most of us know what is meant by the "Kona time" you mentioned, we all know that it is specific to age and gender It usually takes awhile, but results are posted and "kona qualifier" is a search field that can be included. It doesn't appear to have been posted with the qualifiers yet. You'll need to be patient, or do the work yourself.[/quote]
+1.... Seems like everyone is getting ancy as we go full throttle into tri-season and the hot summer weather! Suggestion... If you are ancy you aren't running/biking/ swimming enough!
[quote=phaedrus]..
Anyway, any details would be appreciated ..
[/quote]
That is precisely my point, if you seriously want answers, details are necessary.
We are all painfully aware of the qualifying times for Kona at any given race - for our own case.
What that might be for some random poster, who knows?
The devil is in the details.
You might start by updating your profile on trifuel which would tell anyone who is interested in answering your questions, what your age, experience, ht. wt. gender, equipment, etc. is.
"What is the Kona time for IMSG 2011?"
is the triathlon equivalent of asking,
"How long is a piece of string?"
Without a context, it is meaningless. No snarkineness involved, just common sense, something which experience has taught, isn't so common.
Most IM's are around 7-8 for the Mens A/Ger's 30-45 when there are 65 slots. 11 is an unusually high number of qualifyers. Which only leaves me to believe that a high number of old farts (joking of course) did IMSG. I can probably think of couple of reasons for this. Spring break just happened, so young dad's had to use their vacation already. Memorial weekend is around the corner, so vacation again. School is in the final push (K-college), so that weeds out a lot of college age kids as well parents.
I've done all this reseach for my AG (35-39) to see where Kona is at for me. On a fast course like IMFL, IMAZ, etc. the times are low 9's (like 9:05) and sometimes that won't get you quite there and have you on the outside looking in.. On a tougher course there are two factors the toughness of the course and the time of year (how close is it to Kona). The tougher courses are somewhere in the low 10's (like 10:10). The closer to Kona a race is the slower the times as the fast guys already qualified for Kona and are in their final build phase for same.
Haven't wanted to do the research on IMSG, but I would guess the Kona times are somewhere around 10:00-10:20.
I think finding the Kona Qual. time of a race you haven't done is interesting, but imho mostly useless because the races are all such different courses.
Compare IMC vs. IMFla, major elevation versus major flatness, I've done IMC and I know what I need to qualify any given year, but we have large variations even in an AG because of windspeed. - In a calm year times can be an hour faster than during a gale year.
So, I can look at IMFla qual. times for my AG and still be none the wiser - unless I find a guy I know whose IMC time I can compare.
Even then, most AGer's times vary a lot one year to the next, due to injury, nutrition, mechanicals, so, all-in-all, I'd say the qual. times for an IM one year to the next, one race to the other is for interest sake only. No way you can estimate your own possible / probable success by them. Almost better not to look, lest you scare yourself, or possibly worse, set yourself up for a huge disappointment by thinking you stand a good chance at say, IMAZ, then they change the bike course, the wind comes up and you bonk trying to maintain your expected average speed.
The whole thing is a crap shoot, what with weather, mechanicals, and health (see Chrissie Kona 2010) or nutrition / hydration issues.
Praying might be a better answer,
or maybe sacrificing a chicken.
The best answer I can give for 'Kona time' is 5 years and 20 hours. The Kona qualifiers I know have done triathlons for about 5 years, and they worked up to doing several 20 hour weeks without injury or exhausting themselves.
That's a part of the equation. Other things I would say are more important than course, age, and genetics, is nutrition and coaching. It's hard to go fast with a BMI of 25+, but I guess it's possible. Plenty of self coached people make it, but that's the hard way. A coach that has sent lots of people there makes life easier, and so does being skinny.
[quote=phaedrus]Thanks for the info J. I was guessing on the biggest age group, but 11 for 40-44! That is nice. Any idea for the 30-34 group? Thanks again.[/quote]
Seriously, you can do your own homework!
Go count the number of finishers in the age group you care about. It's all there on the site. Divide that number by the total number of participants. That will tell you the percentage of slots that will be allocated to that age group.
Multiply that percentage by the number of slots available and you'll know the number of slots allocated to that age group.
Then, look at the results. You can then see what time would be required if there were no roll downs, or half are rolled down, or whatever other assumption floats your boat.
But as many have been trying to point out, it may be an interesting calculation, but is pretty meaningless.
[quote=TryScott]The best answer I can give for 'Kona time' is 5 years and 20 hours. The Kona qualifiers I know have done triathlons for about 5 years, and they worked up to doing several 20 hour weeks without injury or exhausting themselves.[/quote]
Well said. That's the plan I'm using. You just gotta have alot of long term focus and have fun along the way. I personally see no value in hanging on by a thread in a marathon. Others do.
[quote=Amphibious Triton][quote=TryScott]The best answer I can give for 'Kona time' is 5 years and 20 hours. The Kona qualifiers I know have done triathlons for about 5 years, and they worked up to doing several 20 hour weeks without injury or exhausting themselves.[/quote]
Well said. That's the plan I'm using. You just gotta have alot of long term focus and have fun along the way. I personally see no value in hanging on by a thread in a marathon. Others do.[/quote]
Totally concur with this! tryscott totally nailed it here, spelled it out so simple too. Nice expansion as well amphib triton!
WTC loaded the sign-up for 2012 IMSG already and there will only be 50 slots for Kona 2012, down from the 65 allocated in the 2011 IMSG race and at 1310 finishers in 2011 I'd say 65 slots gave the best margin ever in the history of ironman racing unless you count freakish races where people didn't start a race or it had a freakish low sign up; though they say Ironman China is your best odds to making a Kona slot due to high slot allocation (65) and reluctance of elite athletes to travel there for the race/chance to win a Kona slot.
very true on China J.... From what I remeber in the inaugral year of IMChina if you finished the race you basically qualified for China as its so dang hot and humid.
[quote=phaedrus]Thanks for the info J. I was guessing on the biggest age group, but 11 for 40-44! That is nice. Any idea for the 30-34 group? Thanks again.[/quote]
[quote=TryScott][quote=phaedrus]Thanks for the info J. I was guessing on the biggest age group, but 11 for 40-44! That is nice. Any idea for the 30-34 group? Thanks again.[/quote]
[quote=Anton][quote=TryScott][quote=phaedrus]Thanks for the info J. I was guessing on the biggest age group, but 11 for 40-44! That is nice. Any idea for the 30-34 group? Thanks again.[/quote]
Seems like a pattern emerging here. We all think the Kona times are wicked fast. We race hot or hard courses, come in with times that we feel are nowhere near good enough (Think IMSG or IMLousiville last year). Why stick around for the rolldown when I'm hot, exhausted, need an IV, and there's no way I'm getting a slot. We all have that mindset, and slow times get the rolldown slots.
I think I have a new Kona strategy. Find late season brutal races. survive, and hang around.
Wow... that guy finished 3rd from the bottom and got a slot???? I could see everyone finished over 11 hours not even bothering to stick around and so that left 28 people who were under 11 hours.
I could see how it could possibly happen, but man what luck! If I were gambling and say it was a typo of some sort still though.
Slot luck. I knew a woman who raced in Europe, (I think it was 2005). Three women in her age group...she won her AG with a time of almost 14 hours. The next year there were 25 people in her age group and all the slots went to folks under 10. She was lucky....so wear you PJ's inside out turn around three times before getting into bed on race day eve...
My age group (M 25-29) had 3 spots. The last slot rolled to the 4th place finisher who finished in 10:01:13. That's crazy fast on that course... It's hard to believe a spot rolled all the way down to 16+ hours.
http://ironmanstgeorge.com/re
http://ironmanstgeorge.com/results/?y=2011&rid=348
It's a crazy tough course. Did it yesterday for the first time. So much tougher than IM Louisville.
7 of my friends made it... I
7 of my friends made it...
I don't really understand your question as it's kinda complex, depending on gender, age, physical challenged...
I was part of the 82% that finished. Finishers in 2011 were down from the 2010 inagrual year were 85% finished.
I'm writing my race report, will be posting it in the next few days; I have to write a novel with 10K words of course so as not to exclude any of the fun :)
phaedrus wrote:Anyone know
[quote=phaedrus]Anyone know the Kona time for IMSG 2011?[/quote]
What does that even mean?
Please try to have your questions make sense.
How are we supposed to know what AG you are in?
PoC
The Kona time is the slowest
The Kona time is the slowest time that qualified for Kona taking into account the roll down. It's common parlance (that I just made up). Each age group will have a Kona time. (I think you have to be there to know how far it rolls down, so that's why I asked here.)
And you should probably just guess, based on statistical probability, that I would fall into the largest age group 30-34M ;) (Or is that 35-39? Anyway, I'm 30-34.)
I am going to start training seriously to try and qualify and I'm looking at the different races.
Anyway, any details would be appreciated (I'm looking at J from Jackson Hole since he seems to know a lot of fast folk!).
Thanks.
What is in the trifuel water
What is in the trifuel water today? All the snarkiness.
Yes, most of us know what is meant by the "Kona time" you mentioned, we all know that it is specific to age and gender It usually takes awhile, but results are posted and "kona qualifier" is a search field that can be included. It doesn't appear to have been posted with the qualifiers yet. You'll need to be patient, or do the work yourself.
dkhartung wrote:What is in
[quote=dkhartung]What is in the trifuel water today? All the snarkiness.
Yes, most of us know what is meant by the "Kona time" you mentioned, we all know that it is specific to age and gender It usually takes awhile, but results are posted and "kona qualifier" is a search field that can be included. It doesn't appear to have been posted with the qualifiers yet. You'll need to be patient, or do the work yourself.[/quote]
+1.... Seems like everyone is getting ancy as we go full throttle into tri-season and the hot summer weather! Suggestion... If you are ancy you aren't running/biking/ swimming enough!
LMAO... Dude, My age group
LMAO...
Dude, My age group "Male 40-44" is way by farthest the largest age group...
My bestest iron buddy did sub 10 and got 3rd slot....(There was at least 11 this time in our age group since it's the largest)
Q-times 4 kona goes by...
1-participation in ur age group/gender/physical challenged status
2-see #1
phaedrus wrote:.. Anyway,
[quote=phaedrus]..
Anyway, any details would be appreciated ..
[/quote]
That is precisely my point, if you seriously want answers, details are necessary.
We are all painfully aware of the qualifying times for Kona at any given race - for our own case.
What that might be for some random poster, who knows?
The devil is in the details.
You might start by updating your profile on trifuel which would tell anyone who is interested in answering your questions, what your age, experience, ht. wt. gender, equipment, etc. is.
"What is the Kona time for IMSG 2011?"
is the triathlon equivalent of asking,
"How long is a piece of string?"
Without a context, it is meaningless. No snarkineness involved, just common sense, something which experience has taught, isn't so common.
PoC
Thanks for the info J. I
Thanks for the info J. I was guessing on the biggest age group, but 11 for 40-44! That is nice. Any idea for the 30-34 group? Thanks again.
Most IM's are around 7-8 for
Most IM's are around 7-8 for the Mens A/Ger's 30-45 when there are 65 slots. 11 is an unusually high number of qualifyers. Which only leaves me to believe that a high number of old farts (joking of course) did IMSG. I can probably think of couple of reasons for this. Spring break just happened, so young dad's had to use their vacation already. Memorial weekend is around the corner, so vacation again. School is in the final push (K-college), so that weeds out a lot of college age kids as well parents.
I've done all this reseach for my AG (35-39) to see where Kona is at for me. On a fast course like IMFL, IMAZ, etc. the times are low 9's (like 9:05) and sometimes that won't get you quite there and have you on the outside looking in.. On a tougher course there are two factors the toughness of the course and the time of year (how close is it to Kona). The tougher courses are somewhere in the low 10's (like 10:10). The closer to Kona a race is the slower the times as the fast guys already qualified for Kona and are in their final build phase for same.
Haven't wanted to do the research on IMSG, but I would guess the Kona times are somewhere around 10:00-10:20.
I think finding the Kona
I think finding the Kona Qual. time of a race you haven't done is interesting, but imho mostly useless because the races are all such different courses.
Compare IMC vs. IMFla, major elevation versus major flatness, I've done IMC and I know what I need to qualify any given year, but we have large variations even in an AG because of windspeed. - In a calm year times can be an hour faster than during a gale year.
So, I can look at IMFla qual. times for my AG and still be none the wiser - unless I find a guy I know whose IMC time I can compare.
Even then, most AGer's times vary a lot one year to the next, due to injury, nutrition, mechanicals, so, all-in-all, I'd say the qual. times for an IM one year to the next, one race to the other is for interest sake only. No way you can estimate your own possible / probable success by them. Almost better not to look, lest you scare yourself, or possibly worse, set yourself up for a huge disappointment by thinking you stand a good chance at say, IMAZ, then they change the bike course, the wind comes up and you bonk trying to maintain your expected average speed.
The whole thing is a crap shoot, what with weather, mechanicals, and health (see Chrissie Kona 2010) or nutrition / hydration issues.
Praying might be a better answer,
or maybe sacrificing a chicken.
:)
PoC.
The best answer I can give
The best answer I can give for 'Kona time' is 5 years and 20 hours. The Kona qualifiers I know have done triathlons for about 5 years, and they worked up to doing several 20 hour weeks without injury or exhausting themselves.
That's a part of the equation. Other things I would say are more important than course, age, and genetics, is nutrition and coaching. It's hard to go fast with a BMI of 25+, but I guess it's possible. Plenty of self coached people make it, but that's the hard way. A coach that has sent lots of people there makes life easier, and so does being skinny.
phaedrus wrote:Thanks for
[quote=phaedrus]Thanks for the info J. I was guessing on the biggest age group, but 11 for 40-44! That is nice. Any idea for the 30-34 group? Thanks again.[/quote]
Seriously, you can do your own homework!
Go count the number of finishers in the age group you care about. It's all there on the site. Divide that number by the total number of participants. That will tell you the percentage of slots that will be allocated to that age group.
Multiply that percentage by the number of slots available and you'll know the number of slots allocated to that age group.
Then, look at the results. You can then see what time would be required if there were no roll downs, or half are rolled down, or whatever other assumption floats your boat.
But as many have been trying to point out, it may be an interesting calculation, but is pretty meaningless.
@ DK... I think you just did
@ DK... I think you just did his homework for him... ;-)
TryScott wrote:The best
[quote=TryScott]The best answer I can give for 'Kona time' is 5 years and 20 hours. The Kona qualifiers I know have done triathlons for about 5 years, and they worked up to doing several 20 hour weeks without injury or exhausting themselves.[/quote]
Well said. That's the plan I'm using. You just gotta have alot of long term focus and have fun along the way. I personally see no value in hanging on by a thread in a marathon. Others do.
Amphibious Triton
[quote=Amphibious Triton][quote=TryScott]The best answer I can give for 'Kona time' is 5 years and 20 hours. The Kona qualifiers I know have done triathlons for about 5 years, and they worked up to doing several 20 hour weeks without injury or exhausting themselves.[/quote]
Well said. That's the plan I'm using. You just gotta have alot of long term focus and have fun along the way. I personally see no value in hanging on by a thread in a marathon. Others do.[/quote]
Totally concur with this! tryscott totally nailed it here, spelled it out so simple too. Nice expansion as well amphib triton!
WTC loaded the sign-up for 2012 IMSG already and there will only be 50 slots for Kona 2012, down from the 65 allocated in the 2011 IMSG race and at 1310 finishers in 2011 I'd say 65 slots gave the best margin ever in the history of ironman racing unless you count freakish races where people didn't start a race or it had a freakish low sign up; though they say Ironman China is your best odds to making a Kona slot due to high slot allocation (65) and reluctance of elite athletes to travel there for the race/chance to win a Kona slot.
very true on China J....
very true on China J.... From what I remeber in the inaugral year of IMChina if you finished the race you basically qualified for China as its so dang hot and humid.
Did I see that IMChina was
Did I see that IMChina was cancelled this year?? Permit issues??
phaedrus wrote:Thanks for
[quote=phaedrus]Thanks for the info J. I was guessing on the biggest age group, but 11 for 40-44! That is nice. Any idea for the 30-34 group? Thanks again.[/quote]
16:14:11
As you can see here http://c28157.r57.cf1.rackcdn.com/2011/05/StGeorgeResultsBook.pdf bib #789 is a 34 year old male that finished in 16 hours and 14 minutes, and he took the last Kona slot for that age group.
Now you know.
TryScott wrote:phaedrus
[quote=TryScott][quote=phaedrus]Thanks for the info J. I was guessing on the biggest age group, but 11 for 40-44! That is nice. Any idea for the 30-34 group? Thanks again.[/quote]
16:14:11
As you can see here http://c28157.r57.cf1.rackcdn.com/2011/05/StGeorgeResultsBook.pdf bib #789 is a 34 year old male that finished in 16 hours and 14 minutes, and he took the last Kona slot for that age group.
Now you know.
[/quote]
16:14 and gets a slot? That's called slot luck and he probably got it in the roll down. Don't expect that to happen again.
Anton wrote:TryScott
[quote=Anton][quote=TryScott][quote=phaedrus]Thanks for the info J. I was guessing on the biggest age group, but 11 for 40-44! That is nice. Any idea for the 30-34 group? Thanks again.[/quote]
16:14:11
As you can see here http://c28157.r57.cf1.rackcdn.com/2011/05/StGeorgeResultsBook.pdf bib #789 is a 34 year old male that finished in 16 hours and 14 minutes, and he took the last Kona slot for that age group.
Now you know.
[/quote]
16:14 and gets a slot? That's called slot luck and he probably got it in the roll down. Don't expect that to happen again.
[/quote]
OMG!!!!!!!
Now making Kona via roll down with 16+ hour race is just wrong!!!! I was there watching rolldown and i missed that wildcard...
What burns me about as much is how 23 yr old male got a Kona slot with 13:51:50, or 1 minute and 2 secs faster than me in rolldown.
Seems like a pattern
Seems like a pattern emerging here. We all think the Kona times are wicked fast. We race hot or hard courses, come in with times that we feel are nowhere near good enough (Think IMSG or IMLousiville last year). Why stick around for the rolldown when I'm hot, exhausted, need an IV, and there's no way I'm getting a slot. We all have that mindset, and slow times get the rolldown slots.
I think I have a new Kona strategy. Find late season brutal races. survive, and hang around.
Wow... that guy finished 3rd
Wow... that guy finished 3rd from the bottom and got a slot???? I could see everyone finished over 11 hours not even bothering to stick around and so that left 28 people who were under 11 hours.
I could see how it could possibly happen, but man what luck! If I were gambling and say it was a typo of some sort still though.
Slot luck. I knew a woman
Slot luck. I knew a woman who raced in Europe, (I think it was 2005). Three women in her age group...she won her AG with a time of almost 14 hours. The next year there were 25 people in her age group and all the slots went to folks under 10. She was lucky....so wear you PJ's inside out turn around three times before getting into bed on race day eve...
Thanks for the link. I
Thanks for the link. I highly doubt that that guy's Kona slot is anything other than a typo, but the rest of the information is great.
My age group (M 25-29) had 3
My age group (M 25-29) had 3 spots. The last slot rolled to the 4th place finisher who finished in 10:01:13. That's crazy fast on that course... It's hard to believe a spot rolled all the way down to 16+ hours.
From what I've heard, that
From what I've heard, that 16+ slot was a typo. I believe the wrong bib number was entered.