accuracy of bike computers
I imagine that they got the bike distance wrong. If it was actually 18.6 miles, and they calculated your avg speed based on an 18 mile course, then you average speed would be lower. This happens in most short local races that I do. Your bike computer is probably pretty accurate. I have found all of them that I have used to be pretty accurate.
It's odd for a wireless bike computer to tell you that you're going faster (or longer) than actual speed and distance. It's much more common for it to miss a few rotations of the wheel and report that you are going slower. I agree that the race distance was likely rounded off. You can map the course on a site like gmaps pedometer to see what the distance was.
One other possibility is that you have the wrong wheel size programmed into your bike computer. That would also screw up your readings. Check the instructions to make sure.
Yes, I've been meaning to check the wheel size which shouldn't have changed since I originally programmed it.
My computers are usually spot on, but I use the roll out method to determine the wheel size. It's more accurate than the wheel sizes they give you (close but not perfect) or from a GPS, which can be off as much as 2 to 4%
The other thing to consider is that races are not always accurate. I recently went to a workshop on course measuring. Wheel roll out with a Jones Wheel or a bicycle set up by the roll out method is still the accepted mode of measuring, not GPS since they can be inaccurate. Many races, recently measured by GPS tend to be off, sometimes by quite a bit.
Case in point. There is a local trail race here, and the last few years, at the end of the race folks were complaining to the RD that the course distance was wrong. None of the six complaints were the same! The RD measured the course with a wheel, twice, walking the course with a friend who had GPS. The GPS distance was different both times and off by almost a half mile.
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Should the magnet on the spokes be closer to the wheel rim (does that matter-been a while since my pre-calculus days)?
It doesn't matter if you put the magnet right up against the rim or all the way down onto the hub. An RPM is an RPM and all the computer does is count how quickly the magnet passes the sensor. The measurement will be the same regardless of where you place the magnet and sensor. It's not like the spoke actually moves faster along the hub and slower along the rim. Don't take my word for it. Try it out. Move the sensor and magnet along the spoke and fork and your numbers will be the about the same. If you really want to mess with your numbers, add a second magnet on another spoke diagonal from the other. Shazam! You've instantly doubled your speed.
If you're interested in how they work, read up on electromagnetic induction.
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I had an interesting discussion with a mechanic about this at my LBS and I gave up. I'll try to explain it here although it'll be easier with visual aids. Where you place the magnet WILL AFFECT the measured distance but not the speed. Recall from physics, the equation C=r(theta) where C is the circumference, r being the radius of the circle and theta being the angle of rotation. The further away the magnet is from the hub, the recorded distance will be further because it has to travel further. But the speed remains the same anywhere along the imaginary radial line. Most bike computers will tell you to place the magnet at the center some do not. But that equation is so simplified and does not take into account other external forces. Bike computers are inherently inaccurate. But seriously who cares if its off by half a mile. Either way, you got an extra workout if its longer or you had an easy day if its shorter. If you need that half a mile to fudge your PR, you need more training or are too preoccupied with numbers.
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I would agree if the bottom of the wheel stoped at the very spot that you placed your magnet. If you set your TOTAL wheel circumference in the computer then every revolution will add up the TOTAL wheel circumference, not the positioning of the magnet.
I agree with TriSooner.
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People have told me before that it does not matter. But being an engineer I have put it to the test and it DOES matter. Different manufacturers calculate things differently. Those that tell you to place it in the center of the wheel calculates it the way I explained while those that do not calculates the number of times the magnet passes the receiver. Having an internal clock is one more component (oscillator) to add on to a computer thus driving up the cost. Calculating it with an equation just requires electronic gates that are much cheaper.
thanks for the info. The Rpm thing is correct. An rpm is an rpm so that should convert speeds and distances accurately. Looking back at the race, they must have figured the speed based on the 18 miles and the time recorded for the race. I did the calculations it figures to be exactly what the race results indicate. Conclusion, the race must have been off for their distance. the race results cheated me a little speed (as well as the rest of the pack-so it evens out) :)
Just to indulge the calculus talk, not that it's important
velocity=arc length/delta time.
Translation, the outside of the wheel has a larger arc (more distance) to travel than the inner wheel and must travel at a higher velocity than the inner wheel. Regardless of position, the number of times the magnet crosses the sensor will be the same and the computer reads that as the entire wheel circumference so distance is the same.
You know its the off season when we start discussing physics...
C=R(theta)...
Not quite right, unless (theta) = 2pi. Otherwise, you merely get a length of the segment bound by theta. Presuming your computer does not require you to add multiple magnets and then specify the segment degrees, it will only know the wheel made one complete rotation (2pi). So, naturally, your wheel circumference comes to 2pi*r.
Now... the only variable in that is r, which can be determined (albeit very poorly, due to variations in tire width) by a simple input of 700c, 650c, 26in, etc. I have actually owned very cheap cycling computers that have done the calc this way. They were never accurate.
So... we have a simple calculation that determines distance from 2 variables: count - the number of times the magnet passes the sensor, and r - the radius (size) of the wheel, so total distance = 2pi*r*count. Simple. (Note: r = radius of the wheel, not the distance from axle to magnet, and as such is fixed for a given wheel size.)
However... a computer which allows you to input wheel circumference (c) directly has an even simpler calculation: total distance = count * c.
Now... if were are wanting the computer to give us any form of speed data, and I'm certain we do, we need this to somehow be able to divide a distance by a time interval. Only one way to do that if we're dealing with simple circuits. It needs an internal clock. Speed = dx/dt. No simpler, or more accurate way around it for our purposes.
Conclusion... regardless of the calculation method employed by the computer, distance merely boils down to 1 variable: count. As such, the placement of the magnet on the spoke is irrelevant for such a simple system. If we were measuring forces, the distance from axle to magnet would play a role. But we're not.
Magnet position does not matter. Discussions of calculus, radius, angle of rotation, etc. are over thinking how this works.
Because they are so simple, bike computers are inherently accurate (contrary to JonO's statement). The computer just counts the number of revolutions of the wheel, not how fast the magnet is traveling. One revolution of the wheel equals one wheel circumference of travel. The speed is then easily figured from the computer's internal clock.
If you set the circumference correctly (as Anton says) and the computer doesn't randomly miss revolutions (as PJT says) ... then the speed and distance will be very nearly 100% accurate.
... If you really want to mess with your numbers, add a second magnet on another spoke diagonal from the other. Shazam! You've instantly doubled your speed.
Dude. You’re a genius! I am going to go do that right after work. And here I’ve been working my tail off just trying to gain a few more MPH’s.














Hoping some of you guys could help me figure something out. I use a relatively inexpensive wireless bike computer and I have compared my bike distances with the distances from the races I ride. Every time, the distances don't match. For example, my most recent race was an 18 mile ride. At end, my computer said 18.6 miles. Not that I'm so worried about the distance as I am speed, I just thought they would be related. My computer said I rode about .8 mph faster than the final race results, a major ego killer for me since my ride time was a PR. There was only about 25 feet from the dismount to the timer, so I didn't lose a lot of time there, thus killing my ride average. For some reason, can't seem to wrap my pea brain around this one. My questions:
Are all non-GPS bike computers going to be off? Should the magnet on the spokes be closer to the wheel rim (does that matter-been a while since my pre-calculus days)? Any suggestions or comments are welcome.