Basal Metabolic Rate
I haven't heard it called "Basal" but I have heard it called "resting." In fact I recall reading about on here a couple times. From what I have heard about it, yes, it is some what accurate. I know it isn't dead on but close enough that it is a good guide.
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Yeah, you're ridiculous. It seems like you're trying to lose weight eating that much a day. The 2000 Calorie diet was arrived upon because it is the average number of calories that a person needs to consume to keep them energized and functioning during normal daily activity. Athletes however need more. I assume you've heard that swimmers consume upwards of 10-12k Calories a day during hard training periods? Though many of us don't swim 15k yards a day, running 12 miles or biking 50 burns calories, so if you're engaging in any supplemental physical activity you already need to eat more than the 2000Cal average. Fainting should have been the first thing that tipped you off that there's some kind of problem, I can't imagine just shrugging that kind of thing off. Your body is a machine, if you don't give it enough fuel it won't run. Though your workouts have not suffered yet, I expect that they soon will. Good luck.
Thanks - I should probably explain why I shrugged off the fainting at first. This all started about six weeks ago when I caught a little flu bug first causing the dizziness. I first thought it was sickness related. As time went on I thought it was an equilibrium problem because I was swimming a lot and I was told that water in the ear could do that... so after four-five weeks, and some weight loss , I became concerned and had this 'timely' conversation with the doctor.
I definitely understand the nutrition component, but I actually thought my intake was significantly higher than it was. As I have focused on eating better, more nutritious, etc. my portions have shrunk and, consequently, so has my caloric intake. I have been eating 5 times a day on normal days, but as I look back on it, my meals were only 200-250 calories at a time (apple with/pb, chicken breast, etc). Although I was always hungry, but quickly full, I never thought too much of it. I should have thought something was weird when I was hungover after two Dales Pale Ale last weekend, lol.
Knowing that this BMR equation is legitimate is a good thing. It seems like my drastic underestimate is catching up to me. This expanded knowledge is good. I may just write a book on weight loss...
Jeff
I understand where you're coming from... I eat pretty/really nutritiously but don't really concern myself with caloric intake. When you step back and actually think about how much you're taking in especially eating fresh fruit, lean meats, whole grains, etc it can turn out to be a lot less than it seems. I had a very tired few weeks some years ago while swimming in college, and not from the yardage.
Allow me to re-arrange your post:
So based on my numbers . . . BMR ranges from 2700 to 3000 depending on my workload . . .
But . . .
I certainly know that I don't consume that many calories - In fact, I am lucky to have half that on some days.
What's the outcome?
Over the last few weeks I have lost about ten pounds and have experienced frequent fainting spells, a few of which dropped me on my butt.
Base Metabolic Rate is pretty close to accurate. I'd say within a 150 or so calories. Definitely sounds like what you are doing is not eating enough. You don't necessarily need dense calories but you need to eat what you are burning or you will lose. And muscle at that if you're not careful.
I always know when I haven't eaten enough for the day when I get a bit light headed upon standing....EAT! Just don't overdo it.
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Over the last few weeks I have lost about ten pounds and have experienced frequent fainting spells, a few of which dropped me on my butt.
Hmm... by the numbers...
1 lb = 3500 kcal.
10 lbs = 35000 kcal.
a few weeks ~= 3 weeks
3 weeks = 21 days
35000 kcal/21 days = 1600 kcal/day
You're undereating by a lot. 1600 kcal/day loss is not healthy.
Eat more. Much, much more.
Hard days hard, easy days easy.
I personally think the BMR calculators are full of shit.
Per calculator my BMR is 1408 and at 2-2.5 hours of training a day (my norm) it puts me at 2400-2600 kcal. I got my BMR from my RMR after a 12 hr fast at a sports nutritional clinic - my BMR is 1820, that would be sitting on my tail, and this is before I was training for am IM, or even an HIM. That's a 400 kcal deficit IF I went off of the online calculators.
I think I'd die if I only had 1400 kcal, that or I'd kill someone.
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While I believe in the concept of the BMR, I think of it more as a guideline to start with, rather than a strict range. I'm 6'2" and at 10% BF, I'm now 201. I have been strict calorie/composition counting for a while now, and can draw a very strong conclusion that the BMR of around 3,000 calories calculated by most calculators is too high. I think similar to the BMI index, body composition is quite varied - I for example have figured out that I've more bone mass than the "average" person in the index. I don't think that gets included in the BMR calc - clearly not as much metabolic activity is needed to maintain the bone.
Furthermore, I believe that as your diet adjusts, so too will your metabolic activity, so there needs to be more room in the equation for the circular nature of that.
So for me, it was useful just as a guideline. After a while of really watching this, I've become convinced that my daily calorie needs are more like 2,400-2,800. Given that most calculators seem to give me answers between 2,950 and 4,100(!) its consistently high, and possibly wildly high.
I think a month's worth of strict calorie tracking probably gives enough data to start drawing conclusions about your BMR.
That being said, sounds to me that you're not eating enough.
BMR (RMR) is a term. It is based, when predicted, on height and weight and gender and age.
It's "accuracy" depends on how you measure it. In this case you're not measuring it, you're predicting it. The "gold standard" is something called calorimetry. You can have this done at a hospital that does clinical research or you can have it done at some gyms using a handheld device like the Body Gem (I don't recommend the latter).
You can also use prediction equations like the one you mention (there are a few and they are based on large #s of patients and make certain assumptions). Their validity is limited, as CJ points out, by body composition.
I think there are a couple of issues here. One, it seems to me that you may not be eating enough, hence the weight loss. But you can be losing weight for other reasons as well and those should be investigated. 10# in 3wks is a fast rate of wt loss...have you changed your diet or training volume during this time?
The other, possibly unrelated, but more concerning issue is the fainting. Lots of things can cause fainting and this should be investigated by a medical doctor.
Why don't you go for a check-up then we can continue the discussion of BMR...
Walter















How much do you all know about the Basal Metabolic Rate equation? and how reliable is the formula?
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Over the last few weeks I have lost about ten pounds and have experienced frequent fainting spells, a few of which dropped me on my butt. I have sorta overlooked it because I otherwise fell healthy and my training has been better than ever. Well, a doctor acquaintance found out and started to question my hydration and nutrition, and asked that I track it for a while (he also requested I pay him a visit for tests if things don't change in a few weeks).
Through research I discovered this BMR equation, which basically acts as a guideline of caloric requirements to operate and store. I am not sure why I have never heard of it before, but I hadn't. So based on my numbers 5'11, 178, 27y/o - my sedentary BMR is 1894/day. Active BMR ranges from 2700 to 3000 depending on my workload. Damn.
I certainly know that I don't consume that many calories - In fact, I am lucky to have half that on some days. My workouts, albeit harder than ever, haven't suffered much yet. I attribute that to the fact that the calories I do consume are right before or after my workouts. This is new to me as I have always been a (BIG) fan of the food. I just don't think about eating as much anymore. I am always hungry, but it only takes a little (100ish kcal) to satiate me.
So my question is, does anyone have knowledge or experience with BMR? Is this number is somewhat accurate? If it is - I figured out why I am the lightest I have been since 7th grade... Mom called it Husky.
Jeff