ironman sponsored events and ipod usage
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jonovision_man posted 10 weeks ago.
It's not just 4 minutes, it's a strike, and three strikes you're out.
I'd imagine getting caught more than once for that same violation would earn you a DQ, though... you might be able to feign ignorance the first time, but if you keep doing something they told you not to? That's inexcusable.
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PJT posted 10 weeks ago.
katarddx wrote:
ok... so far i have learned that penalty for wearing headphones (listening to ipod, radio, zune etc...) is 4 minutes...
can you actually be disqualified for wearing them?
I hope so.
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KitKat posted 10 weeks ago.
PJT wrote:
katarddx wrote:ok... so far i have learned that penalty for wearing headphones (listening to ipod, radio, zune etc...) is 4 minutes...
can you actually be disqualified for wearing them?I hope so.
Ditto...HTFU :)
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TBird posted 10 weeks ago.
Pacific Crest allowed them - closed run course though.
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xc800runner posted 10 weeks ago.
katarddx wrote:
ok... so far i have learned that penalty for wearing headphones (listening to ipod, radio, zune etc...) is 4 minutes...
can you actually be disqualified for wearing them?
Simple: Aero helmet (with ear flaps), bluetooth headset you can clip to the retaining system, and bluetooth enabled player (cell phone with a 2 gb memory card is perfect) stashed in the jersey pocket, saddle bag, bento box... wherever. No exposed cables to get you pinged.
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PJT posted 10 weeks ago.
xc800runner wrote:
Simple: Aero helmet (with ear flaps), bluetooth headset you can clip to the retaining system, and bluetooth enabled player (cell phone with a 2 gb memory card is perfect) stashed in the jersey pocket, saddle bag, bento box... wherever. No exposed cables to get you pinged.
While I do think using headphones should be a DQ offense where prohibited by the rules, I'd be tempted to offer some leniency if someone actually ran out of T2 with this setup.
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RV posted 10 weeks ago.
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While I do think using headphones should be a DQ offense where prohibited by the rules, I'd be tempted to offer some leniency if someone actually ran out of T2 with this setup.
Don't go soft PJT - they also need to be wearing their bike shoes on the run - then its okay.
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katarddx posted 10 weeks ago.
PJT wrote:
why do you think so? is there a specific reason? i am trying to figure it out... if it is a closed course for a run it doesn't seem like a big deal to me.katarddx wrote:ok... so far i have learned that penalty for wearing headphones (listening to ipod, radio, zune etc...) is 4 minutes...
can you actually be disqualified for wearing them?I hope so.
also, there are people (someone i know) with a need for ipod - not for music but for white noise... why not accomodate and help at least some? safety reasons?
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brittda posted 10 weeks ago.
Because while listening to music you are less likely to listen to directions given to you, to not hear someone running up and saying "on your right" (yes on the small trail at Pacific Crest as well).
You should not NEED an ipod. They are a nice "option" . Learn to run with out it.
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jonovision_man posted 10 weeks ago.
katarddx wrote:
PJT wrote:why do you think so? is there a specific reason? i am trying to figure it out... if it is a closed course for a run it doesn't seem like a big deal to me.katarddx wrote:ok... so far i have learned that penalty for wearing headphones (listening to ipod, radio, zune etc...) is 4 minutes...
can you actually be disqualified for wearing them?I hope so.
also, there are people (someone i know) with a need for ipod - not for music but for white noise... why not accomodate and help at least some? safety reasons?
"Need"? That's a new one. Somehow before iPods, people did Ironman. :P
People with earbuds are largely unaware of their surroundings, I've been bumped and jostled in enough races to remain unconvinced when people insist that's not the case. And personally, I can't stand ending up running next to someone blasting their iPod, you can't actually hear the song, just the treble, it's obnoxious.
The organizers made a rule. If you don't like it, don't sign up.
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zagfan posted 10 weeks ago.
I think iPod's should be banned from all races. You may be rocking out and having a good time but you're also not listening to others trying to communicate with you. Just because a course is closed doesn't mean there aren't support vehicles (officials, ambulances, etc.) on the course. Not to mention the locals who can still drive on the road. At IMC there was a woman passing me going the other way who was so out of it that she was running down the middle of the road with a truck behind her trying to pass, it took another competitor running up to her and telling her to move to get her attention. Now, she had an excuse b/c she was obviously in a bad spot. The last thing we need are more people who just can't make it without Lady Gaga or Lil Wayne motivating them along not paying attention to what's going on around them.
Not trying to be a smart ass, but what "need" is there for an iPod?
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Tamara posted 10 weeks ago.
"Need" for white noise, to me, is no different than the need to have a friend pace you on the run or the need to wear flippers on the swim. It's part of the overall challenge to do this yourself, and until the rules are changed, an iPod is considered both a safety hazard and an unauthorized performance aid.
Last year I ran a half mary where headphones were legal. I literally ran 10min faster than I expected and I know it's because I had the distraction and enjoyment of music to keep me moving.
Best way to not need an iPod -- don't train with it so that you don't become dependent on it. I now use it for my tough interval workouts to get the extra oomph, but I do my long runs without it so that I'm used to the challenge of keeping myself entertained for a long period of time with just the sights and sounds around me. Not always easy, but again, if it were easy, everyone would do it.
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katarddx posted 10 weeks ago.
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Not trying to be a smart ass, but what "need" is there for an iPod?
i never thought of anyone here as smart ass and you do deserve the answer. i have a friend who suffers from very extreme case of tinnitus (google) and he would like to participate in this sport - so i am trying to find a solution here... i am not asking for my self - i know what to do in my case is pretty simple... however if you have ever seen someone with EXTREME case of tinnitus then you know what white noise can do for you (help). not a big deal i was just asking around... no needs for "dont like the rules, dont sign up" and such... just trying to help a friend
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hipfan posted 10 weeks ago.
I use my ipod when training on my bike inside only. I'm hard of hearing already, so training outside with it will never happen. I did recently get the nike+ and tried it out, but had to turn the music off.
Most music these days has a 4 beat progression, but when I run I breathe in a 3 beat pattern. (Breathe in 3 steps ect.) The music always messes me up.
As for a race, I couldn't imagine not wanting to soak up as much of the atmosphere, especially for an IM.
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PJT posted 10 weeks ago.
katarddx wrote:
PJT wrote:why do you think so? is there a specific reason? i am trying to figure it out... if it is a closed course for a run it doesn't seem like a big deal to me.katarddx wrote:ok... so far i have learned that penalty for wearing headphones (listening to ipod, radio, zune etc...) is 4 minutes...
can you actually be disqualified for wearing them?I hope so.
also, there are people (someone i know) with a need for ipod - not for music but for white noise... why not accomodate and help at least some? safety reasons?
Two reasons, one more compelling to me than the other.
1. As other people mentioned before, there's a bit of a safety concern during a crowded race. I run with an iPod roughly 60% of the time in training, so I honestly don't think this is all that big an issue, but it's an issue nonetheless (as shown by that runner in a race in California earlier this year who ran off course into traffic, with iPod, was unable to hear the volunteers yelling at him, and was hit by a car).
2. There are a few studies out there concluding that listening to music can have a performance enhancing effect in endurance events. (and a few that find no such effect). I tend to believe that music "helps," although the scienctific basis is still debatable. So you a) have a rule that prohibits a specific performance enhancer and b) have someone willfully violating that rule. Anyone who chooses to follow the rule is therefore at a disadvantage. I don't like that, so I hope that anyone who uses a banned performance enhancer is DQ'd.
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beads1985 posted 10 weeks ago.
I use an iPod when I am running by myself, but not on the bike(unless I am on the trainer)
During events I think you need to be able to hear what is going on.
The rules are there, and there are safety reasons they are enforced by the race organizers.
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wannakona posted 10 weeks ago.
need....
i think someone put it pretty well and on this forum people know what that means:
HTFU
I never run or bike with any music, and don't like when someone does next to me. Because of that someone almost crashed into me and almost ran into me a couple times without even realizing it, on races and on training rides.
"There are a few studies out there concluding that listening to music can have a performance enhancing effect in endurance events." do we see any professionals athletes listening to music at the races? and at the same time they keep over-performing every time. So i say this study is bogus, if you can't take the pain without music, and need music to distract yourself from pain, HTFU and take the pain, that's why we are in this sport.
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PJT posted 10 weeks ago.
wannakona wrote:
"There are a few studies out there concluding that listening to music can have a performance enhancing effect in endurance events." do we see any professionals athletes listening to music at the races? and at the same time they keep over-performing every time. So i say this study is bogus,
The fact that pros don't race with music absolutely does NOT disprove the studies. Pros don't race with headphones because they would be DQ'd. We don't know what times they would do with headphones.
Haile Gebreselassie, who I think we can all agree knows a thing or two about running, actually has requested that certain songs be played over the loudspeakers during his races: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article581004.ece
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snail_male posted 10 weeks ago.
That must be some case of tinnitus that it would actually be disabling. I'm not doubting it; I have a moderate case of it myself (like a smoke alarm going off in an adjacent room 24/7 - not able to be masked by running water from a tap etc.) and still can't imagine why I wouldn't proceed with a sport I love. Holy mackerel - your friend has my sympathy.
Aren't there hearing aid-style white noise generators that can be worn for this, so your friend can show it's a medical need & no attempt at performance enhancement?
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wannakona posted 10 weeks ago.
PJT wrote:
wannakona wrote:"There are a few studies out there concluding that listening to music can have a performance enhancing effect in endurance events." do we see any professionals athletes listening to music at the races? and at the same time they keep over-performing every time. So i say this study is bogus,
The fact that pros don't race with music absolutely does NOT disprove the studies. Pros don't race with headphones because they would be DQ'd. We don't know what times they would do with headphones.
Haile Gebreselassie, who I think we can all agree knows a thing or two about running, actually has requested that certain songs be played over the loudspeakers during his races: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article581004.ece
Agreed about it not disproving the studies, but i'm just saying as an example pros and Olympic athletes set records without music, only to the cheers or the crowds ;)
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katarddx posted 10 weeks ago.
whoa... HTFU is the best answer here? did not expect that, but anyway, thanks for answering the question. i feel a lot of HATE toward the ipods and such so i guess he is not going to wear it, or participate in even - his choice. thanks again
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krazyfranco posted 10 weeks ago.
katarddx wrote:
whoa... HTFU is the best answer here? did not expect that, but anyway, thanks for answering the question. i feel a lot of HATE toward the ipods and such so i guess he is not going to wear it, or participate in even - his choice. thanks again
Relax, relax. I think most of the people posting here are just ranting about Ipods in general, and not responding to your specific question, probably because you didn't posit it in your original post. The issue:
Can my friend, who has a severe case of tinnitus, wear headphones in M-dot races to help with his medical condition, and allow him to race?
My guess would be he could find races to do. If it is a documented medical condition, I'd bet that by contacting the RD of the M-dot race he could probably be cleared to wear something to help with the tinnitus. The best course of action would be to contact the RD of the race he is looking at, and see if something can be worked out.
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tri-ac posted 10 weeks ago.
is showering the ear with more vibrations medically good for a case of tinnitus? just wondering
my wife had it, and her response was to seek out peaceful spaces and not have any extra noise if at all possible
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jonovision_man posted 10 weeks ago.
katarddx wrote:
zagfan wrote:
Not trying to be a smart ass, but what "need" is there for an iPod?
i never thought of anyone here as smart ass and you do deserve the answer. i have a friend who suffers from very extreme case of tinnitus (google) and he would like to participate in this sport - so i am trying to find a solution here... i am not asking for my self - i know what to do in my case is pretty simple... however if you have ever seen someone with EXTREME case of tinnitus then you know what white noise can do for you (help). not a big deal i was just asking around... no needs for "dont like the rules, dont sign up" and such... just trying to help a friend
It might have been better to disclose your motivations first rather than making a post suggesting you're trying to dodge the rules.
Race Directors are generally people who want to see the sport flourish and have as many participants as possible... when there's a medical requirement they generally will make special arrangements. Look at the Hoyt's for an extreme example of bending and reshaping the rules to let someone compete!
Have your friend talk to the organizers and try to find a solution... rather than calculating how many minutes one would lose in the penalty tent if caught!
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ok... so far i have learned that penalty for wearing headphones (listening to ipod, radio, zune etc...) is 4 minutes...
can you actually be disqualified for wearing them?
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