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started by KellyW on September 2, 2009

I'm looking for a trainer but know nothing about them, so I'm asking all you experts and trainer aficionados for advice. I've looked and see that prices vary from $150 to $300 or more. I recently read that triathletes make an average of $160,000 a year but I certainly wasn't included in that survey, so what I'm hoping is that you will tell me the $150 models work just as well as the $400 ones.

If you use a trainer, what model is it, how much did it cost, and what do you think of it?

What is the difference between the cheaper models and the expensive ones?

I currently have and use a spinning bike, but figured it would be better to train on my actual bike setup using a trainer. Right? Or not? Let me know.

I will be doing Ironman Lake Placid next summer, so I will be putting in a lot of hours this winter on whatever indoor setup I end up choosing.

Thank you!

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TriSooner posted 1 year ago.

KellyW wrote:
I recently read that triathletes make an average of $160,000 a year but I certainly wasn't included in that survey . . .

Was it the The Mind of the Triathlete?. If it was, the 'mean' income reported was $126k, not $160k. Regardless, that is significantly higher than the median US household income of $46k. There is your first clue that this "study" (puke!) is bogus.

Whomever put this "study" together needed a basic understanding of survey research statistics, and data reporting. First, there is a significant bias in self-report data. USAT asked people what their income was. I didn't see the survey, but they may have asked what the household income was (ie, it may have been two earners) or they may have asked for their individual income. Regardless, self-reporting something as sensitive as income is prone to error. Of course people inflated their self-reported income. and may or may not have reported dual income. The other significant problem in their reporting of the income is their use of the mean (average) and not the median (half-way point, as in, half make more, half make less). Median income is a much less prone to skewed data. So what if the average self-reported income is $126k? That means absolutely nothing. I'll show you why:

Person 1: $41,000
Person 2: $42,000
Person 3: $43,000
Person 4: $44,000
Person 5: $45,000
Person 6: $46,000
Person 7: $47,000
Person 8: $48,000
Person 9: $49,000
Person 10: $855,000
Average income: $126,000

OMG! The "average" triathlete makes $126,000! No, not really. Not even close. You take nine people who make around the median US household income and one person who is totally kicking ass $855,000 and average it and you get garbage you can pitch to advertisers totally skewed data. But if I were to ask you what the 'normal' triathlete makes in the above sample, the answer would be $45,500, which is also the median.

If they had consulted with me - which they didn't - I could have come up with ways to obtain a more conclusive picture of triathlete income. First, it would not be a small self-report sample. I highly doubt they got a 10% return rate on a 20-minute survey. That would be way above what's expected, which is around 1%-3%, so I call BS on their 10% claim. Instead, they (USAT) have membership rolls of 150,000 people who included their zip codes. They have to get their crappy magazine somehow. One thing they could've done is researched the median income in each zip code. This is readily available from the US Census Bureau. Then you would weight the population among zip codes. You would probably have a disproptionate number of triathletes in Boulder (80301) and San Diego (92126) which also have a much higher cost of living and probably higher median salaries than Hidalgo, Texas (median income of less than $10,000) which probably only has a few triathletes.

There are so many things wrong with that "study" and it pi$$es me off because it combines two of my biggest peeves: As a statistican and researcher, they are totally bastardizing the protocol to come up with fluff numbers to show to advertisers in their magazine and website that, "Hey, our members make so much money! Advertise your schwag with us!"

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NICK10980 posted 1 year ago.

Wow. You must have totally missed the portion of her post where she asked about a trainer. :)

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tri-ac posted 1 year ago.

TriSooner wrote:
If they had consulted with me - which they didn't - I could have come up with ...

you should have a "Ask TriSooner" thread with a sticky...your own column!

"dear trisooner
i'm a 38yo male with saddle sores and an all-carbon super bike...should i sell my Newtons and get compression socks?
thx!
sincerely, sore & anxiety-prone in san diego"

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TonisTri posted 1 year ago.

Kelly, I purchased my trainer at a local big box sporting goods store for about $200. It was Christmas time, so it was on sale. I think it was $250 originally. It works fine, does the job, but it's a bit noisier than I would like. I have to have whatever "media" I am using turned up really loud. Keep in mind I have only done tris for two years and only at the sprint and oly level, so I am not as qualified to speak on what constitutes a good quality trainer in your price range as those who have done IM. Just thought I'd offer my experience.

"Do what you can, with what you have, where you are." -T. Roosevelt

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TriSooner posted 1 year ago.

NICK10980 wrote:
Wow. You must have totally missed the portion of her post where she asked about a trainer. :)

I know, I did go off on a rant. But it just got to me. :)

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TriSooner posted 1 year ago.

tri-ac wrote:
TriSooner wrote:
If they had consulted with me - which they didn't - I could have come up with ...

you should have a "Ask TriSooner" thread with a sticky...your own column!

"dear trisooner
i'm a 38yo male with saddle sores and an all-carbon super bike...should i sell my Newtons and get compression socks?
thx!
sincerely, sore & anxiety-prone in san diego"

Dear Sore and Anxiety Prone -

But how 'beefy' is your bottom bracket? And I sure hope you have an aero helmet and deep dish rims for your first sprint, otherwise start in the back. Sell the Newton's and buy some racing flats. They're .038 grams lighter and will make you faster (*gag*). Keep the Newton's because wearing hospital-grade neuropathy compression hose is such a good look and will help you recover from that killer 5k "run." And if your anxiety has anything to do with open-water, the best way to get over it is to buy a speedsuit - with titanium gussetts! - and sign up for your first tri and "Just Do It!"

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TriSooner posted 1 year ago.

NICK10980 wrote:
Wow. You must have totally missed the portion of her post where she asked about a trainer. :)

Fine. Let me summarize two years worth of trainer advice: Kurt Kinetic or Cyclops Fluid. "Fluid" is preferred over magnetic if it is in your budget (but any trainer is better than no trainer). Trainers are not the same as rollers. Trainers are boring, so get some movies, preferably past recaps of Grand Tours or some Spinervals. Buy local because shipping will eat up any savings. Tada!

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thesonicson posted 1 year ago.

Don't buy anything Blackburn (or should I say Crapburn). I will also say, don't buy one that is 50% off. What that USUALLY means is that it is junk, the retailer knows it, and wants to get rid of it.

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Tri_it_out posted 1 year ago.

Has anyone heard of 'Rav-X'? I recently bought the 'TX-4' trainer from a guy from craigslist for $70 and he threw in a Rides DVD. It seems nice and works pretty well, though I haven't really broken it in because I haven't really needed to.
Can I jack this up for a minute and ask: Do you need a perfectly true rear wheel for the trainer? The reason being that I have an old wheel that spins true side to side but not up and down so when I put it on the trainer I have an uneven resistance profile. It's kind of annoying and I'll probably end up putting in the time when the weather gets cold to true it better.
Because of the fact that your rear wheel rides on a spindle that is resistant to rotation, you can will eventually get an unrounded wheel, right? So I assume that most people would dedicate a tire entirely to the trainer to avoid flattening of a real riding wheel.
I hope that my issues add to the overall post.
-Garrett

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fastdog5 posted 52 weeks ago.

[quote=TriSooner
Fine. Let me summarize two years worth of trainer advice: Kurt Kinetic or Cyclops Fluid. "Fluid" is preferred over magnetic if it is in your budget (but any trainer is better than no trainer). Trainers are not the same as rollers. Trainers are boring, so get some movies, preferably past recaps of Grand Tours or some Spinervals. Buy local because shipping will eat up any savings. Tada!

Agreed, but try ebay or Craigslist if $ is tight. I got my Fluid2 on ebay for $150 (all-in), and it's been great. A buddy of mine got a newer Fluid2 on C-List for the deal of the century: $60!

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KellyW posted 52 weeks ago.

Thanks Nick for all those threads!
And thanks to all of you who put in your two cents. Fastdog I agree with you, Kurt Kinetic and CycleOps Fluid look like the best ones and I will definitely have to check Craigslist or Ebay to see if I can save some $.

TriSooner, I liked your rant about surveys--it's good to know all triathletes are NOT rolling in money and you are right, they are playing with the numbers to make the "statistics" show what they want them to show.

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wannakona posted 52 weeks ago.

TriSooner wrote:

There are so many things wrong with that "study" and it pi$$es me off because it combines two of my biggest peeves: As a statistican and researcher, they are totally bastardizing the protocol to come up with fluff numbers to show to advertisers in their magazine and website that, "Hey, our members make so much money! Advertise your schwag with us!"

... and they are making me feel bad because i don't make anywhere as much

I think i saw someone here posted this link about trainers: http://www.agees.com/Opening.htm

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Warrior posted 51 weeks ago.

NICK10980 wrote:
Wow. You must have totally missed the portion of her post where she asked about a trainer. :)

I just laughed my ass off

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cgtriathlete posted 51 weeks ago.

Speaking of these trainers....how do you guys log your workouts? Do you use time only or speed as well? I'm just not sure how accurate my speed is from my bike comp. ( I have the cycloeops fluid 2 which only has one resistance level)

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cayman posted 51 weeks ago.

NICK10980 wrote:
Wow. You must have totally missed the portion of her post where she asked about a trainer. :)

Sorry, I'm still laughin', no offense to anyone -- best sleeper response of the year(s).

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tri-ac posted 51 weeks ago.

cgtriathlete wrote:
Speaking of these trainers....how do you guys log your workouts? Do you use time only or speed as well? I'm just not sure how accurate my speed is from my bike comp. ( I have the cycloeops fluid 2 which only has one resistance level)

i log them as time, but i'm thinking of replacing my computer to get one with a speed sensor on the back wheel (to get distance too)