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The SBR ad thread had me thinking. How about we rate some sports on toughness on a scale of 1-10. 10 being the toughest.

Some off the top of my head:

Baseball - (3) Unless your a catcher you don't even have to be in shape. Great sport but not tough.

Basketball - (7) Playing down low with the big people is violent. Beats up the knees and lower back as well. Plus basketball players usually are good at every sport they try.

Soccer - (7) Haven't played since I was young, but I coach my kid's teams. That is a lot of running and banging when it is at a top level. Maybe the most underatted tough sport in America.

Football - (9) Hurts like hell all season. Toughness depends on position as well. If you are running the ball 20+ times a game or playing linebacker you are going to struggle to get out of bed the next day. Injuries are ridiculous.

Triathlon - (9) Mentally and physically tough. I give it a 9 ti tie it with football because of the mental part of long course. It is easy to get pumped for football. Not so easy at mile 80 of an IM when you are in the middle of nowhere or in training.

Marathons - (10) Nothing hurt worse than my slowest marathon. 4 hours Boston 04. I cramped at mile 13. A close second was the pain I felt in my fastes marathon. 3:03. To keep a pace like that was a killer for me.

Ultrmarathon - (off the chart) Never did one. I am scared.

Water Polo (10) Looks like a sick sport. I am half Hungarian so I should have the genes, but I don't. Would be fun in a 5 ft. pool.

This should be interesting to hear everyone else.

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mrgy posted 16 weeks ago.

IMO, football is a 7, 8 max. Rugby is a 9 for sure. It's football with more running, no breaks and no pads.

I totally agree with the baseball one though. Love the game, but it doesn't take a lot of effort.

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IthinkIcan posted 16 weeks ago.

Wife Carrying (11). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wife_carrying

Just think of the crap you would get if you lost ;) the race may only be 253.5 meters but the outcome would live on forever!

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gfd posted 16 weeks ago.

Good call with rugby. Dhani Jones, former Eagles and Giants linebacker, said after 1 rugby practice that it was the hardest thing he ever did.

Forgot wrestling. That has to be a beyond category sport. If you doubt it, try to mess with a former wrestler.

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chekmarks posted 16 weeks ago.

+1 to water polo. hardest sport i've ever played.

for anyone who hasn't played, imagine the first 30 seconds of an open water swim for an hour, with a ball and no goggles. and thats playing with swimmers, who have a little different build than real polo guys, who are built more like NFL linebackers than a triathlete.

sample heights/weights from the US national team -
6'7 - 240
6'5 - 240
6'7 - 230
6'1 - 195
6'3 - 192

yeah, i realize this is the second best team in the world, but just think about swimming with these guys while trying to make the turn around your next buoy...

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Tri_it_out posted 16 weeks ago.

I never saw the draw of wanting to play football with pads and helmet. You have to do what the coach says or you don't get to play... Lame. Hearing from friends, lacrosse is similar in that respect. Any sport where politics come into play doesn't do it for me.
Soccer would be pretty high up there for those playing at a high level. It's sprint, slow down, sprint, slow down, but it never really stops. To quote: "Raining down brimstone is the single most exhausting activity one can engage in...next to soccer."-From the movie Dogma.
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mrgy posted 16 weeks ago.

Volleyball is a 5.

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gfd posted 16 weeks ago.

Hockey has to be at least a 9.5

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PrinceofClydes posted 16 weeks ago.

As a born Canadian I have to put in a bid for ice hockey here.
Like football and rugby, collisions take a toll on the body, and in hockey the combined speeds of players in collision can reach 40kph, (see Youtube)

and then there are the boards. It is standard fare to slam your opponent into the boards anytime he puts his head down. Then there is the cross-checking, the slashing and the fighting..

On the plus side, I have it on good authority, from a Page Three Model who has dated pros from baseball, ice hockey, basketball and football teams, that hockey players have the best bodies!
She should know. :)

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caeagle16 posted 16 weeks ago.

How can you rate marathon ahead of triathlon? I can understand rating shorter distance tris behind marathons, but if you put IM's into the mix, you have to rate those ahead of a marathon because they INCLUDE the 26.2, so how in the world is an IM easier than a marathon?

Sports is one thing, but if you have to rate "events," I'm going with the Tour-- these guys ride like 150 miles A DAY at 25-30 mph for basically 20 days straight. You're exercising for basically the same length of time it takes someone to do a HIM, then you get up and do it again. How many of us could even average 20-25mph for an IM bike leg, or how many of us could do HIMs for a few days in a row? Yeah right. Granted, they have masseuses and the ultimate in support and whatnot but still, I really dont think people realize how hard that has to be. Maybe its easier than I think because its the same sport every day, but I dunno.

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jsk85 posted 16 weeks ago.

These relative toughness ratings are interesting, but it can vary a great deal depending on how you're defining toughness...

- toughness as in "tough" people play it...then football, water polo, rugby, hockey would lead the way
- toughness as in it takes mental toughness to complete...endurance/ultra-endurance sports win here
- toughness as in it is tough to be skilled at it...this is more open, but it would bring baseball and golf back into the equation since the coordination required is something many athletic people never have
-toughness as in it hurts to perform...contact sports and anaerobic endurance sports (XC skiing, crit cycling, rowing, etc...) would fall in this category I'd say

So in other words...it depends.
FWIW...rowing a 2000m race is probably the most painful way I can think of to spend 5-7 minutes w/o injuring myself, so if I'm looking at the pain involved...I'd put it up there.

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jwillia852 posted 16 weeks ago.

mrgy wrote:
IMO, football is a 7, 8 max. Rugby is a 9 for sure. It's football with more running, no breaks and no pads.

I totally agree with the baseball one though. Love the game, but it doesn't take a lot of effort.

First... way off - Rugby is a tougher endurance sport, but the hits are far more violent in football... Far more violent. Plus there is more mental work in football. Rugby is more like soccer with collisions.

To the OP though, It's ridiculous to rank football (or any other contact sport) vs triathlon... the best triathletes in the world wouldn't survive a hit in the NFL or NHL, probably couldn't hit a fastball, or drive a 200mph racecar against 4-5G... and yet, they are not considered lesser of an athlete. Right?

The ad is sorta silly IMO... It should have said: Triathletes are tougher than runners or Triathletes are tougher than cyclists, etc.

But, as Don Draper would say, we are talking about it...

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PrinceofClydes posted 16 weeks ago.

Personally, I don't think I'm talented enough to push myself as hard as Mark Allen, Macca, the Norminator or even Paula Newby-Fraser, so I'm likely never going to know how tough IM really is. Doing it in 14-15 hours like I do is relatively easy compared to the hammering I take in a rough-ish hockey game.
I was tired of spending most of my season sitting out, re-habbing injuries, so I swapped collision sports for triathlon.

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krazyfranco posted 16 weeks ago.

I've never said this to Trifuelers before, but you guys have it all wrong. But PoC was on the right track.

Ball sports are not usually too hard. Endurance sports are harder, usually. But none are as bad as(s)...



Boxing.

It is physically daunting, it is mentally daunting, like most sports. But the difference here is that SOMEONE HUGE IS TRYING TO PUNCH YOU IN THE FACE.

Pushing your own endurance limits in a marathon doesn't quite compare with going 12 rounds with a HUGE PERSON TRYING TO KILL YOU. Or bite off your ear (though that can't really be considered part of the sport).

Ultimate fighting also comes to mind, but I think that is less "sport" and more barbaric (but still... you have to be incredibly tough, maybe even moreso than boxing).

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jwillia852 posted 16 weeks ago.

krazyfranco wrote:
I've never said this to Trifuelers before, but you guys have it all wrong. But PoC was on the right track.

Ball sports are not usually too hard. Endurance sports are harder, usually. But none are as bad as(s)...



Boxing.

It is physically daunting, it is mentally daunting, like most sports. But the difference here is that SOMEONE HUGE IS TRYING TO PUNCH YOU IN THE FACE.

Pushing your own endurance limits in a marathon doesn't quite compare with going 12 rounds with a HUGE PERSON TRYING TO KILL YOU. Or bite off your ear (though that can't really be considered part of the sport).

Ultimate fighting also comes to mind, but I think that is less "sport" and more barbaric (but still... you have to be incredibly tough, maybe even moreso than boxing).

Throw MMA into that ring... That stuff is crazy.

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TriRussC posted 16 weeks ago.

I think that we need to be more clear on what we mean by toughest. We seem to be combining level of violence with level of fitness without any distinction and omitting entirely level of skill. Golf is not even on here, but hitting a golf ball sucessfully is very diffcult.

We are very singular in our concept of tough. We focus on endurance, suffering through pushing ourselves that extra mile when our legs are cramping and our chest feels like it is going to explode.

Unless I have a really bad day on the bike, I seldom come home with the brusies of rugby, football, hockey, lacrosse, etc.

And coordination plays no role like it does in golf, baseball, figure skating, etc.

Hate to be no fun, but I think its three different kinds of tough. Probbaly only the infantry has all three.

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krazyfranco posted 16 weeks ago.

jwillia852 wrote:
Throw MMA into that ring... That stuff is crazy.

I agree. Sorry, but endurance sports can't really hold a candle to combat sports IMO. It would be like finishing a race then getting punched in the face.

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krazyfranco posted 16 weeks ago.

My definition:

Tough: rugged, very difficult; severely testing stamina or resolution. making great mental and physical demands. Doesn't have anything to do with skill, coordination, etc.

Hard days hard, easy days easy.

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gfd posted 16 weeks ago.

"Tough" as in physically and mentally challenging to compete in. I don't think it is ridiculous at all to engage in this thread. I think it is interesting how we all perceive the things we do or watch in terms of how difficult they are. My stand alone marathons are ranked higher than the IM in terms of overall difficulty because of the physical punishment combined with the mental strength I needed on those days to reach the finish line. Not once in my IM did I consider quitting. In the case of my 4 hour Boston run, I wanted to quit that day more than I ever wanted to quit anything. It was also the "toughest" thing I ever did because of the mental place I was in, the heat, the cramps, etc.

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Amish posted 16 weeks ago.

can't we just use the binary scale?....tough -1, not tough - 0
...wait, I guess it doesn't apply here.

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PrinceofClydes posted 16 weeks ago.

I don't even want to include combat as "sports."
I know all about the history, the tradition, but there is very little "sporting" about them.
Not kicking, attacking a man when he is down, not attacking the genitals, is about the only nod to being "sporting," that combat activities allow.
I frown on fighting being allowed in hockey too.

The discussion comparing how "tough" triathlons, marathons, and other endurance sports are is pointless if you include activities where your opponent is allowed to whack you with a stick, eg. kendo, hockey, hurling, lacrosse. And to include in the discussion, those activities where the goal is to disable your opponent by hitting him is, in my view, pointless.

Remember that IM came about directly from a discussion about who was the fitter, the swimmers, the runners or the bikers.

The Tour de France, if not the number one most demanding endurance event is right up there with say, the Marathon Des Sables, or swimming the English Channel but cycling is not the TdF and the TdF is not cycling. As difficult as it is, to make a fair comparison, you have to make the tests very similar.

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zagfan posted 16 weeks ago.

Comparing apples to oranges at this point. You have to define what you mean by "tough," you have to define what level of sport we are talking about and basically what we define as an athlete. Are we saying that the average Saturday rec league football game is tougher than my average Saturday brick (6-7 hrs)? We can swing these arguments either way depending on the point of view.

Until the parameters are clearly defined we can't compare each sport.

And jwillia852, I think a pro triathlete could survive an NFL hit, didn't they try that stunt on "Pros vs. Joes"? I'm not talking about the massive bend your knee backwards ESPN highlight hit, just an average hit. I've seen kickers get leveled and still get up, are you telling me that your average pro kicker is more of an athlete than pro triathletes? But, I would love to see Ray Lewis or Brian Urlacher try to hang with Crowie and Macca out on the Queen K and Energy Lab, hell I would love to see them even make it to the Queen K let alone finish.

Just trying to play devil's advocate, for the record I'm a football fan, just think that some of these arguments are a little off.

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TriRussC posted 16 weeks ago.

By virtue of being the world record holder in the 400IM and 200 Butterfly, I would consider Michael Phelps to be the most fit person in the world.

The toughest from an endurance sport definition, ceratinly not, he doesn't go more than 3:30 at a time, but the level of fitness requird to perform at that level is off the charts.

Marathon elites and triahtlon elites are very close, generating high levels of speed for unbelieveably long periods of time, but neither generates the power of the world class swimmer.

They also all put in roughly the same training time per week and per year. I wuld argue it takes more mental toughness to stare at the bottom of a pool for 30 hours per week than to bike or run.

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PrinceofClydes posted 16 weeks ago.

Making direct comparisons of athletes from different sports is what TV shows like Superstars is all about.
I call it trashsports.
It's fun to watch but ultimately pointless.
For example, Jackie Stewart, F-1 legend, has reflexes and nerve, that put me to shame but I'll kick his butt on the Ironman course or in a game of tennis, or just about anything requiring strength and co-ordination as well. There's no way I'd get behind the wheel and challenge him to a game of "chicken!"

Michael Phelps would embarrass me in the water but if I can get that fish on dry land, can he even catch?

I'd love to play Roger Federer one-on-one with a basketball, but of course, he's a genius with a racquet.

anyway, when the fun is over we can all have a beer together and do some more bragging..

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gfd posted 16 weeks ago.

Interesting perspective as always, POC. Body type and genetics plays a huge role in what we perceive to be the toughest sport.

As far as MMA goes, it definitely is brutal and barabaric. But there are rules and there is a huge history to it. What style of fighting, defense, etc. is better. As old as human beings. I saw a cool history channel show on how Bruce Lee influenced today's UFC phenomenon.

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TriSooner posted 16 weeks ago.

Oh please. All of those sports listed are for total pansies. Real sports? Real athletes? First, NASCAR is the hardest sport with the toughest athlete. I mean, my God, THEY'RE DRIVING A CAR! Do you know how hard it is to drive and steer a car?! They even have to pull into pit row and let someone else change the tires. That's hard work! Plus, those cars don't even have air conditioning. It's so hot!

Next, you have golf. Look at John Daly, the finest example of a high performance athlete, built like a Greek God. Only the best among us can drive an electic cart and have someone carry our bags while we whack around 1.6-ounce ball . . . in silence. It's really tough motoring around a perefctly manacured park while we drink beer and smoke cigars.

Bowling is tough too. With the little kids and their bumper ball and disco lights. They have to actually train in those conditions! Can you believe it? They might actually slip on the wax, or what if the hand dryer was too hot and they burned their bolwin' hand?!

And billiards is tough too. Doesn't she look like a rock-hard Bad Ass?! Or he . . . Hell, I don't know. Pat here looks pretty tough. The bar smoke could get in its eyes and mess up his, her English!

Finally, the most awesomest sport ever with the most battle-tested athletes ever is clearly competitive eating. These gastronomic gladiators lay it all on the line while ingesting pounds of food! Do you know how much they have to train for that? None, actually, but don't worry about that. Their hard work comes the next day on the toilet. You try passing 10 pounds of hotwings!

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rhane posted 16 weeks ago.

I agree with another poster above - IM contains a marathon, and if you are trying to "race" then an IM would be a more difficult effort than a plain marathon. Both are difficult, but I'd rate 9.5 for IM.

On another note, MMA is a flat out 10. You gotta be in top shape AND be able to take a serious beating. It may only be a 9.5 in shear "difficulty" but those guys are in there and ready to take you out. It's not like boxing - these guys don't play for points. They are there to beat you down. That extra 0.5 comes from the "oh crap" factor - as in you step into the ring and realize you chose the wrong sport....

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TryScott posted 16 weeks ago.

As for definition of tough, lets just say that there's a chick you like, and you heard that she is really attracted to tough guys. So in order to impress her, you are going to take up the toughest sport you can think of. Bowling a 300 and shooting 10 under par might be tough, but I don't think you would impress her. Feel free to add your own examples:

Sailing in the Carribean - not tough
Riding a sled pulled by dogs across the frozen earth - tough

Big boxing shorts and no shirt - tough
Little running shorts and a tank top - not tough

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krazyfranco posted 16 weeks ago.

TryScott wrote:
As for definition of tough, lets just say that there's a chick you like, and you heard that she is really attracted to tough guys. So in order to impress her, you are going to take up the toughest sport you can think of.

I like that definition.

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Anton posted 16 weeks ago.

Ernest Hemmingway once wrote that "Bull fighting, auto racing and rock climbing are the only true sports, everything else is just a game."
That being said... There are more Nordic skiing coaches in the former Soviet Union than there are Nordic skiers in the US. I don't think you can really comment about which is the toughest sport or the toughest athlete without looking at Nordic Skiing. Those folks turn themselves inside out on a regular basis in temps that scare the hell out of most people. 50k in sub zero (F) conditions in under 2 hours sounds way sportier than some of the stuff you guys are talking about. ;)

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em_me posted 16 weeks ago.

this guy swims at the north pole in a speedo.... i can barely get in an ice bath lol

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j.qualle posted 16 weeks ago.

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I can't think of anything that would test physical endurance more than Le Tour de France. Oh and it has plenty of contact but it's guys hitting the ground at high speeds with no pads.

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Triguy98 posted 16 weeks ago.

There are so many aspects to sport that can make any one sport "difficult" especially to get good at it. Pole Vaulting, and even CURLING are very technical sports that may not make a competitor pass out, but good luck just stepping in there and getting the job done. I loathe baseball and golf, but I can appreciate the technical aspects of them. Doesnt mean I agree they should get paid what they do.

Tris? Sure they're hard. But even on the IM level, how goes it compare to say- ropeless big wall free climbing? Endurance? Check. Technical? Check. You mess up you die? Double check. Makes even the water polo players look soft, no?

That said, organized sports like water polo, rugby, soccer, and ice hockey are very difficult in most respects. I've done a lot of martial arts, and its not fun to get the crap beat out of you, and it is very technical, requires a bit of endurance, but I'd get in the octagon before I got into an ice hockey rink.

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aussieboy13 posted 16 weeks ago.

See you have too many different types of sports getting involved.

First you have your Individual Sports.

Then you move onto Team.

Then you move onto automotive :-P

Unfortunately its too broad a category to classify.

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cayman posted 16 weeks ago.

Agree, 2 different levels here, at least: individual and team sports. What about the 16 year old who sailed solo around the world. Sport? I think I'd have to agree on ropeless big wall free climbing as one of the toughest sports out there.

Team sports, maybe a toss up between ice hockey and rugby.

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em_me posted 16 weeks ago.

j.qualle wrote:
Cycling
I can't think of anything that would test physical endurance more than Le Tour de France. Oh and it has plenty of contact but it's guys hitting the ground at high speeds with no pads.

check out this race- no sag, all self supported. 1200k bike ride with a 90 hr limit. no massages in between each stage. thats tough.

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caeagle16 posted 16 weeks ago.

ropeless big wall free climbing = just plain stupid... maybe tough, but alot more stupid than tough

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Triguy98 posted 16 weeks ago.

caeagle16 wrote:
ropeless big wall free climbing = just plain stupid... maybe tough, but alot more stupid than tough

Really? Ever done any climbing? Stupid yes, but more stupid than tough? I know that after 30 minutes on a wall my forearms are sore for a few days. Imagine hours of it? And not being able to relax and rely on the ropes? Being on your game the entire time?

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chekmarks posted 16 weeks ago.

I think rock climbing and sailing and all those "feats" are just that, impressive to accomplish, but not a sport. are they difficult? yes. but when the goal is just to survive, that's a whole different thing than winning and losing.

and i am going to come to golf's aide here, in high school I was a scratch golfer. i'm not saying its a sport but it takes more toughness than you think. it takes SO much patience, attention to detail and focus. sitting on the driving range for 2 hours, hitting the same shot, with your hands covered in blisters and while its 95 degrees is not fun, and feels way longer than 2 hours of running.

a round of golf, at a high level, is as daunting mentally as a half ironman. i know, you are sitting there laughing, but go out and play a round at even par when the guy next to you is shooting one under, and the last few holes, you'll understand why the game is so mentally draining, every shot must be perfect. there are peaks and valleys, it is unpredictable, each round is a roller coaster of emotion. and also, pro golfers are strong, don't believe me? look at their foerarms. when a normal person tries to hit out of 5 inch rough they'd be lucky to go 100 yards, a pro can hit shots all day from the rough and still shoot a decent number. flame away...

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Warrior posted 16 weeks ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nOmN6G3XXY

that's another link that is semi hilarious.........Hurling is a sport played in Ireland, It needs lots of courage or you will get very badly hurt.
Rock climbing I tried, it's the most physically draining.
I ran a half marathon, it was a mentally tough thing.
I cycle to and from Monaco to my home in the hills in Nice, I hate it, I climb nearly 2000 ft in total on the way back alone........I hate it.....but it's not tough.
Oh I spent two weeks in hospital as a teenager playing Hurling.... Running around for 80 minutes with a big stick and a tiny ball, I can assure you it's tough. but toughest??? F1 driving.

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gfd posted 16 weeks ago.

I would put rock climbing in the sport category. Endurance, strength, strategy, and toughness. Speed in certain competitions as well, plus if you lose your focus it could end tragically.

Golf maybe require the most focus of any sport. The amount of time between shots makes it even harder to stay focused. The muscle memory required is ridiculous as well. Is there an other sport that great athletes struggle with as much? Still, the pants and elite nature of most golf clubs make it seem too privileged to be called tough.

Hurling is awesome. I wish I would have thought about it. A former principal of mine used to go to Ireland every year and would always go to a hurling (match, game?) Awesome stories.

For automotive I put rally car right there with F1. It is a lot like rock climbing without the ropes.

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RunMDC posted 16 weeks ago.

How about platform diving or gymnastics? I would rate these are high as 8.

As a former diver I think it takes just as much mental toughness to make yourself jump off of a 10 meter platform and do a series of twists and turns on the way down as it does to run a marathon after 112 miles on the bike. I imagine gymnastics is the same way. Sure an IM is about mentally talking yourself into keeping moving forward and the time spent training is greater but diving is just as tough on the body. The impact day after day of hitting the water or the mat plays hell on the knees, wrists, ankles, head...

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hipfan posted 16 weeks ago.

OK. Full Contact Ultimate Team Ironman.

Two teams, and the trick is to cross the finish line with a 10 lb excercise ball after completing an Ironman distance race. Everybody has clubs to whack each other with or put in the competitors spokes to get possesion. The swim is full of electric eels, the bike course is on wet roads, and the run is barefoot on a gravel road. No water and gu stations. Only beer and brats. I think we have come up with the official rules for that man tri!

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wannakona posted 16 weeks ago.

TriSooner wrote:
Oh please. All of those sports listed are for total pansies. Real sports? Real athletes? First, NASCAR is the hardest sport with the toughest athlete. I mean, my God, THEY'RE DRIVING A CAR! Do you know how hard it is to drive and steer a car?! They even have to pull into pit row and let someone else change the tires. That's hard work! Plus, those cars don't even have air conditioning. It's so hot!

Next, you have golf. Look at John Daly, the finest example of a high performance athlete, built like a Greek God. Only the best among us can drive an electic cart and have someone carry our bags while we whack around 1.6-ounce ball . . . in silence. It's really tough motoring around a perefctly manacured park while we drink beer and smoke cigars.

Bowling is tough too. With the little kids and their bumper ball and disco lights. They have to actually train in those conditions! Can you believe it? They might actually slip on the wax, or what if the hand dryer was too hot and they burned their bolwin' hand?!

And billiards is tough too. Doesn't she look like a rock-hard Bad Ass?! Or he . . . Hell, I don't know. Pat here looks pretty tough. The bar smoke could get in its eyes and mess up his, her English!

Finally, the most awesomest sport ever with the most battle-tested athletes ever is clearly competitive eating. These gastronomic gladiators lay it all on the line while ingesting pounds of food! Do you know how much they have to train for that? None, actually, but don't worry about that. Their hard work comes the next day on the toilet. You try passing 10 pounds of hotwings!

Sooner, i'm cracking up :)))) i can't stop laughing at work....
I never understood why they call Golf a sport along with other games you mentioned. Also curling looks like a tough endurance sport.

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tri-ac posted 16 weeks ago.

as long as we don't use espn as a guage... otherwise competitive eating and poker are now "sports"

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NotAsFast posted 16 weeks ago.

Since I played Rugby before I got into Triathlon, Rugby hurts a damn lot longer than any soreness I have self inflicted in Triathlon. 91/2 would be a better rating.

Since there is two codes of Rugby (League & Union), I played, league. One is more stop start (Union) and the other is just plain athletism and brute force (league). There were games I dont even remember due to being hit so hard.

Since I havent done that continuous triple IM race in Mexico, I would give that the 10. Man that looks like you wouldnt be able to be able to walk for over month after that.

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Anton posted 16 weeks ago.

Triguy98 wrote:

Tris? Sure they're hard. But even on the IM level, how goes it compare to say- ropeless big wall free climbing? Endurance? Check. Technical? Check. You mess up you die? Double check. Makes even the water polo players look soft, no?

Which brings to mind...The great John Bacher died on July 5th in a ground fall: www.climbing.com has a nice Memorial Photo spread.
If you've never been on the sharp end you have no idea of how difficult it can be...if you've never been high off the ground, alone, turning your soul inside out you just can't imagine...
Alone, high up on a route, is the hardest athletic thing I've ever done.
You want tough?
Reinhold Messner.

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zagfan posted 16 weeks ago.

NotAsFast wrote:
Since I played Rugby before I got into Triathlon, Rugby hurts a damn lot longer than any soreness I have self inflicted in Triathlon. 91/2 would be a better rating.

Since there is two codes of Rugby (League & Union), I played, league. One is more stop start (Union) and the other is just plain athletism and brute force (league). There were games I dont even remember due to being hit so hard.

Since I havent done that continuous triple IM race in Mexico, I would give that the 10. Man that looks like you wouldnt be able to be able to walk for over month after that.

Try the decatriathlon in Mexico (that's 10 Ironmans). If I remember correctly the swim is in a pool, the bike is a short loop and I don't remember the run course. I also read online that in 1998 they did a double deca, 20 freaking Ironmans!!!

Check out the results http://www.multisport.com.mx/deca/index.htm

I love how some people say, "oh...you think that's tough, watch this." Pushing the human body to its limits is a wonderful thing isn't it?

And I agree, rugby players are nuts.

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NotAsFast posted 16 weeks ago.

Yes, that was it. The Deca in Mexico. 10+ for that effort.

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PrinceofClydes posted 16 weeks ago.

Anton wrote:
You want tough?
Reinhold Messner.

I met Reinhold Messner, who solo-climbed Everest WITHOUT oxygen bottles, and his partner Peter Habeler, who also ascended without oxygen with Messner previously. I worked for Habeler in Mayrhofen, Austria back in 1974-76 as a ski instructor. He is a toughie too.
Both men are incredibly talented and tough, mentally and physically. They hold (held?) the record for the fastest ascent of the Eiger, North Face in 10 hours and were considered the bright lights of Austrian climbing when they were just teens. They were driven, competitive, proud men.

I could take 'em over 140.6 of an IM though. heh.

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