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started by bezsimon on July 23, 2009

Hi

Apologies if this has been covered lots before but am looking to update to as an expensive bike as I can afford and have seen that you have a choice of 2 front cassettes and 10 on the back or 3 x 9.

I read one article that said always go three - as it gives you a wider range and that the weight difference between 2 and 3 is so negligible it wasnt worth considering, but my local bike shop assured me that most triathletes just use two.

For your info - i´m doing sprint triathlons and was looking at the shimano ultega group sets

This is all new info to me so any advice welcome

Best wishes

Simon

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whiplash614 posted 17 weeks ago.

I don't know how others feel, but I would definitely stick with two rings - especially as this is a tri/road bike. Changing gears efficiently while riding and racing is a complex beast - more difficult then it might seem if one is trying to ride as smoothly and quickly as possible. Two rings are hard enough to keep track of, I can't imagine the true utility of a third ring. Maybe others have a different opinion - but unless you have to train in some absolutely brutal hills I just don't think a third ring is necessary.

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kpollock posted 17 weeks ago.

I agree. Stick with a double. My first road bike was a triple because I live in California where we climb for miles and I was new to cycling and I didn't think I was strong enough to need only a double. But I've since replaced my triple with a compact double. My tri bike is a regular double, like most. I'm new to tri's but I've never seen a tri bike with a triple cassette.

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groovyjen posted 17 weeks ago.

I am all about the granny gear. 3 for me.

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jwillia852 posted 17 weeks ago.

you end up doubling gears when you have a 3 chainring configuration. Stick with two and play with your rear cassette configuration for different set ups

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f1oored posted 17 weeks ago.

Go with 2 unless you live in a place with serious hills. Two will give you the gears you need, it's lighter, shifting will be more crisp, and the adjustments will be easier. Many people (myself included) start with a tripple only to find out that after the first year we no longer use the smallest chainring.

Also the front gears are called chainrings and only the rear is called a cassette (just fyi so you look like you know what you are talking about at the lbs). Let us know what you end up going with. Good luck.

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TriSooner posted 17 weeks ago.

bezsimon wrote:
. . . you have a choice of 2 front cassettes and 10 on the back or 3 x 9 . .

Just so you get the lingo down and don't get suckered by sales, the front is called a "chainring," and more specifically, you have either a "double" or "triple." The rear collection of cogs is called your "cassette." Technically yes, you can have 9 in the back or 10. I imagine you are looking at Shimano (Campy has had 10 for many years and did SRAM ever have 9?). Any cassette with nine gears or "rings" in the cassette is very much "last year’s" model, maybe 3-5 (?) years old by now. Nothing wrong with it at all – they work just fine. But Shimano moved to 10 speed/rings in the cassette a few years ago, and Campy has recently moved to 11. However, you could get a triple in front and 9 rings in the rear cassette but I suspect it is an older group set as most/all new bikes now are put out with the updated to the 10-speed version. If I saw a triple with 9 in the rear, I would bet you money it has sat there and sat there and sat there because most competitive riders do not need a triple and that bike with an older group + a triple has just sat on the sales floor. There is nothing mechanically wrong with it; it just won't move for sales.

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Go with 2 unless you live in a place with serious hills.

I'd replace "hills" with mountains, as in, you ride in Colorado or up and down Mt. Washington. You should go with a double. On a road bike or tri bike, a double will work (IMHO) for 90% of riders on 90% of courses. If you go with a triple, you will outgrow the need for the smaller chain ring within the first season and you'll want to dump it, well, because all of the cook kids have doubles. ;) And it's not as easy as just switching out cranks/chainrings (and cranks are very expensive). You'd have to get a new front derailleur (for sure) and shifters, so changing between triple and double is cost-prohibitive. To do so would basically mean buying a new groupset.

This may bring up more questions than provide answers, but there is an in-between that hasn't been mentioned. First, go with the double. Then, in the rear, get a really big cassette, like 12X27. These are your gear ranges. Without getting way too techincal, bigger numbers = easier to pedal. I know it's counter-intuitive, but trust me: I'm from the Internet. 11X23 is for strong riders/flat courses. 12X27 is for hillier courses or for people who like to spin high cadence. Try this out: When you go test ride, ask what cassette they have on it? Then, when you ride, drop it down into the front chain ring and bring the rear cassette all the way up the cassette and see how "easy" that is? If that isn't enough, the other option is a compact crank set (as kpollock rides). It is still a double, but "Compact cranks are finally coming to the forefront as a viable option for riders of all abilities to consider. Anyone living in mountainous or hilly terrain should give serious thought to the benefits of a compact crankset." Please read this article about gearing and compact cranks.

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PJT posted 17 weeks ago.

Tell the salesperson this: "I want a 50/34 or 50/36 compact front crank and a 12-25 cassette."

If you are already a strong rider or only ride pancake-flat roads, a 12-23 or 11-23 would also be an acceptable cassette choice. Once you get strong, you'll want one of those anyway for some rides.

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TriSooner posted 17 weeks ago.

PJT wrote:
Tell the salesperson this: "I want a 50/34 or 50/36 compact front crank and a 12-25 cassette."

+1 But you gotta sell it! You can't hesitate when you drop chain rig configs and rear cassette numbers. If you hesitate or garble it, you'll be Outed as a Poseur. . . . .

WHAT?! Stop the presses! I went back and looked at our boy's posts here and first, bezsimon is a dude and he's six foot freakin two. Do not, under any circumstance, even conisider a triple and you have no biz riding a compact. I'm just bustin' balls, but c'mon, you're a grown ass man talkin' about a triple or compact?! GTFO and ride a double with 175mm cranks. Much love :)

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zagfan posted 17 weeks ago.

My first road bike had a triple on it and I hated trying to shift through that mess. My P2 has a compact double and a 12X25 cassette and it works just fine. I live in Colorado so I get my share of hills. I'm sure I could get more scientific about it and have a wider range of gears to play with but I just go with "if my easiest gear is still slowing down my cadence, pedal harder."

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knemyer posted 17 weeks ago.

Here are 2 things you can take to the bank, pure fact, not opinion:
1. As stated earlier, the ones in front are chainrings, either double or triple, and
2. if you want roadies to despise you even more than they hate the average triathlete, get a triple.

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TryScott posted 17 weeks ago.

My bike came with a triple. I didn't know that a double existed at the time. Can't remember the last time I used the smallest gear in the front. If the hill is too steep, I just stand up, or "pedal harder" as Zagfan put it.

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bezsimon posted 17 weeks ago.

Thanks for all the info. It seems its fairly clear cut that the double "chainrings" (see I´m learning:)) are the way forward. This is a whole new world for me - I didnt even know doubles existed til a week ago!

With the Shimano Ultegra there are various choices for the rear cassette - but im still thinking the range of 12-27 would be best for me as yes I do live in a mountainous place - Tenerife island to be precise which is basically one massive volcano (3718m high for those interested!) - I live at the coast which basically means as soon as you move away from the coast the only way is up! So whilst yes I´m 6´2" and about 85kg is this the cassette i should be looking at?

Best wishes
Simon

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groovyjen posted 17 weeks ago.

I will reiterate my unpopular opinion. You are new to road biking and you live someplace with mountains. Give the triple a thought.

The cool kids might not approve, but they won't be there to push your ass up the mountain later, will they? : )

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katarddx posted 17 weeks ago.

with tripple... i dont know it just seems like there are many "wasted" gears.... you can change a gear(or two!) and feel nothing at all... i live in colorado too, and compact double is just fine.
my .2 cents....

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cayman posted 17 weeks ago.

My first tri, I was struggling up a steep New Jersey hill that had no end and I was barely maintaining forward momentum, when an old dude, older than me, zooms up the hill past me and says young man, you need a third (granny)ring.

After killing myself hill after hill I finish the race, the old man was put to rest on the flats. I queried the trifuel cognescenti if I should get a a granny ring and the resounding response was... whuuu? are you serious, no way.

It ain't the gearing, it's the engine.

Too many gears, too confusing.

Hit the hills with what you got and hit 'em hard!

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fastdog5 posted 17 weeks ago.

I agree. My bike came with a double ring up front, and 11-23 in back. Hills were ridiculous at first, but over time I got stronger & now it's fine.

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NICK10980 posted 15 weeks ago.

Just go with a single speed. ewww, I bet this will start a heated discussion.

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jonovision_man posted 15 weeks ago.

groovyjen wrote:
I will reiterate my unpopular opinion. You are new to road biking and you live someplace with mountains. Give the triple a thought.

The cool kids might not approve, but they won't be there to push your ass up the mountain later, will they? : )

I'm with you. The only advantage I see with the double is not getting teased. :)

It's a matter of riding preference, too. I like a cadence in the 85-95rpm range whenever I can get it, and on long rides I find spinning up hills takes a lot less out of me than mashing through at 60 or 70 rpm.

Article on cadence that might help convince the skeptics. Or not.

When I eventually graduate to a tri bike, I'll probably go compact, but with a nice big chainring in the back to let me spin spin spin! :)

jono