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1/2 Ironman Food Intake

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started by robbie on July 5, 2009

I have been training for this for some time and I need to find out where I am going wrong.

I find that fruits work well with me. On the bike I consume two bottles of hammer heed, 1 apple, 3 bananas, and two cliff bars.

My intention was to do a 6 mile run afterward and only managed 3. Do I need to have a protein intake or protein shake in the bike to run transition or any other food.

Any input greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

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PJT posted 19 weeks ago.

I don't think protein is necessary for that distance. I think you may want to try getting away from most solids and concentrate on getting in 250-350 calories per hour in the form of sports drink and gels.

Depending on how much you sweat, 2 bottles of sports drink could be a little light for hydration. Are you also taking in plenty of water with those calories?

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KitKat posted 19 weeks ago.

robbie wrote:

I find that fruits work well with me. On the bike I consume two bottles of hammer heed, 1 apple, 3 bananas, and two cliff bars.
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Holy crap, you must have an iron gut. Have you tried pure liquids? You'll be able to get more calories quicker via liquid. Wow, I'm still taken back by how much solid food you consume...your stomach must be an elite digesting machine. Some people need protein, others not.
Why were you not able to finish your run? Lack of energy?

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robbie posted 19 weeks ago.

Yes, Lack of energy big time. I am almost dragging. Then again I am 6'1 , 210lbs and I always feel better when I am consuming. I agree that I definitely need more water. My handicap is that drinking all these energy drinks after while just tastes yucky. Even Hammer Heed at first is ok but then you just want water only. I realize I am going to need more food to finish off the run leg but all just energy drinks and gels?

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KitKat posted 19 weeks ago.

You might want to try pure maltodextrin. Prior to my malto days I would eat solids on the bike, liquids just didn't cut it...but in the end solid foods would cause GI distress. Malto is the only liquid I can drink that doesn't cause flavor fatigue and keeps me up on my caloric intake.

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brittda posted 19 weeks ago.

KitKat wrote:
You might want to try pure maltodextrin. Prior to my malto days I would eat solids on the bike, liquids just didn't cut it...but in the end solid foods would cause GI distress. Malto is the only liquid I can drink that doesn't cause flavor fatigue and keeps me up on my caloric intake.

+2 since KitKat mentioned this in another post I do the same lately. I have actually experimented with mixing 3 hrs worth per bottle. I can get a whole 6 hrs in 2 and then use my aerobottle in front for water for racing (just pick up water at the stops since in an IM they are every 10 miles). For a long training ride I just carry an extra bottle in my back pocket and if needed refill at a park or buy a bottle of water at the gas station.

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MClydesdale posted 19 weeks ago.

I am a big guy, 205 and hydration is the key. You can go 5hrs with out food but if you get dehydrated your done. I use Perpetuem for longer bricks and races and it works well for me. I usually sip it and drink water/heed too. Gook Luck!

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RunMDC posted 19 weeks ago.

I agree that solids are not necessary for the HIM distance. Although I have been experimenting with eating a Power Bar at mile 28 on the bike. Other than that I use Hammer gels and Accelerade. For me the correct amount seems to be 2 bottles of Accelerade and 2 bottles of water and at least 2 gels but never more than 3.

In my experience too many solids during a race like that will make you feel sluggish because you will be full and if you are unlucky you will have to take a pitstop to get rid of some of the solids. Plus you waste a lot of energy chewing.

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deepbluex posted 19 weeks ago.

I started hitting more solid foods during the run. About 1/3 into the run I really welcomed the cola and pretzels at the aid stations. But for the bike, I stuck with about 3 gels and 4 bottles of gatorade.

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Clint-murphy posted 19 weeks ago.

You may want to consider trying either the Gu Chompers w/caffiene (I love these) for energy, or the Cliff Shots (similar to Chompers) for calories if you don't like Gels - they're the consistency of gummy bears.

I used to not drink anything on long-rides and some people mentioned carbo-pro and ELoad to me, which I tried for both my 100 km ride on Saturday and Olympic distance race on Sunday - felt great both times (slight bloating and IBS on Sunday in heat but don't think it was the products)...

For the Ironman 70.3 in August (Calgary) I am thinking of doing Eload/Carbo-Pro ("ELCP") bottle 1, water bottle 2, ELCP bottle 3, and water bottle 4. At the same time I will eat 2 servings of Gu Chompers - total caloric intake will be about 1,100 on the bike / 3 hours it will take me = 350 per hour, consistent with what PJT posted above and hopefully it will work.

Good Luck in finding the right mix for yourself!

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robbie posted 19 weeks ago.

What is pure maltodextrin? Can I get it readily or is it is combined.

So the norm is to stay away from solids. I will do that on my next brick work out.

My understanding is that the body will start to feed on it self after two to three hours of training if you do not replenish it with protein.

I have heard good stuff about Perpetuem but when I heard about soy being an ingredient, it turned me off. It might be good for women but with the amount of research I have been doing, soy is a no no for men in all circumstances you can do with out it.

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PJT posted 19 weeks ago.

Infinit is one drink that allows you to use straight maltodextrin, if you want.
http://www.infinitnutrition.us/
Their website has a quick start interview for an initial picture of what they would recommend based on your race distance, sweat rate, body weight, and whether or not you plan to eat solids or want extra sodium and any caffeine in your drink mix.

Last year, I did up a formula for IM distance that I now use for IM and HIM races. The initial formula they recommended contained a fair amount of whey protein powder. I found that made me feel pretty bloated while riding, so I eliminated protein and have now biked an IM and HIM on the stuff with zero GI issues. (I don't use it on the run becuse I hate to carry fluids while running. Instead I just rely on some Gu and whatever beverages are on the course).

For a HIM, I use a 24 oz. bike bottle concentrated to roughly 3x normal, so 900-1000 calories. I take a mouthful every 15 minutes and chase with two mouthfuls of water from the aerobottle (you need the extra water to digest the concentrate). The only refilling I then need to do is add water to the aerobottle. I do carry a gel or two also, but this is mostly to mix up the flavor and add a bit of caffeine (my concentrate is decaf). For an IM, I have a second bottle of concentrate in special needs and grab it halfway through the bike.

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brittda posted 19 weeks ago.

I actually bought mine (malto) at a local home brew shop. I open up a saltstix tab and add it and away I go. You can take it sepparate or dump it in. 50 pounds was $70 and I will have it for the next 2 years probably. My husband doesn't like it plain (I do as it is tasteless) so I add a tbs of Tang to make it orange for him. You can also add protein if you feel you need it as well. This helps explain how to use :
http://www.arniebakercycling.com/pubs/Free/Nutrition%20Maltodextrin%20SS...

KitKat was brilliant. The stuff works great.

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KitKat posted 19 weeks ago.

brittda wrote:

KitKat was brilliant. The stuff works great.


As was the guy who told me about it. Sharing is caring :)

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brittda posted 19 weeks ago.

KitKat wrote:
brittda wrote:

KitKat was brilliant. The stuff works great.


As was the guy who told me about it. Sharing is caring :)

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Warrior posted 13 weeks ago.

Coming on late here, I am trying to get a handle on the eating lark. I am back training only recently. I had a good body at one point but actually because I wasn't taking in enough for what I was doing. I seem to have swung the other way.
When I bike maybe for an hour and half, in heat, I got through about 3/4 litre of energy drink, and two energy bars.
When I run for half an hour, I drink about half a liter of energy drink after wards to replenish fluid loss, stop cramping, and hopefully help me cool down. When I swim 500 meters, I have usually eaten some ceral bars about an hour before hand and have a small meal, chicken salad maybe pasta straight afterwards.
I don't get to eat 'big' till 9pm , I don't get to bed till midnight. I am not over weight, but I am not ripped either. I do core and I am starting weights. I am trying to be patient, but what I understand from this is I sort of have my diet in reverse, and maybe too much for the bike?

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firegirl posted 13 weeks ago.

since you do seem to have an iron gut, whey may not upset you too much; if you find you need protein, you might try "nectar" by syntrax..it comes in fruit flavors and mixes really well with water so it isn't as heavy as the old school proteins. no carbs in it, so you can add as needed.
the apple and fuzzy navel are really good (fuzzy navel is good with orange juice/tang also for a little carb kick) but the cherry is kind of cough syrup-y. i use them in the summer because they're lighter and during the day cuz i don't like standard protein with water.