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started by IthinkIcan on May 11, 2009

k, not gonna lie, the swimming is the biggest fear for me in IM training. I'm in week 8 and still haven't found a pool. While looking I stumbled upon a 'pool etiquette' article on USMS and it mentioned sharing lanes. Is this for real? I thought one lane one swimmer? I've never been a fan of swimming and I'm uncomfortable with the idea of sharing a lane b/c I'm pretty sure I'm a terrible swimmer since I haven't really even swam in years and only recreationally then.

So is sharing lanes for real at most pools? What is the best way for a bashful newbie to get some private lane swim time to get a baseline? Should I just buy a wetsuit and hit the lakes of New England instead? Are masters classes only for serious swimmers? What if that 5 year old doing the doggie paddle is faster than me? thanks for any feedback :)

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PJT posted 27 weeks ago.

Yes, sharing lanes is absolutely normal. At times at my pool, you can wait a LONG time if you want a lane on your own, and pool rules dictate that you share if all lanes are occupied. The only way to get a solo lane is to show up at odd hours, like mid-morning on a Sunday or after 8 on a weeknight. Frankly, there is a hell of a lot more room sharing lanes in a pool than there is for most mass-start Ironman swims, so think of it as good practice.

The sharing etiquette where I swim is to get the swimmer's attention, either by standing at the end of the lane or (better) sitting with your legs in the water, then both swimmers are expected to communicate how they want to share (circling or picking a side. Most just pick sides).

While open water swimming with a wetsuit is something you should also be doing, I think time in the pool allows you to be more focused on things like form, drills, speed, etc. Plus, if you really are uncomfortable swimming, I don't see how going out in a lake is the better choice right away. And yes, there will be the occasional little kid who is faster than you. Deal with it.

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Quincyceltic posted 27 weeks ago.

No fear that is why they have lifeguards :) I just started swimming too and yes they do share lanes and while it was nerve racking the first few times it has gotten better. I am a "bad" swimmer also but really the lanes are wide enough for two. I have never had it happen at my ymca but apparently they squeeze three in there also, and you just go around instead of up and back. With two people you will just go up and back. I am in the habit of asking people if I can jump in there lane (not like they will say no) and they appreciate it.

I am a new englander too and really the YMCA is the only places with pools that I have found. Usually around 50 bucks a month so that is not too bad cause you get to use everything. Also my Y has a big pool and a smaller one and usually the smaller one is empty in the morning so you could def. get some alone time. The Y where I go is also very tri friendly with swimming instruction and classes designed to gear people up for a sprint. Good Luck

p.s. that 5 year old is fast, but if you are nice to him he may show you a few things.

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gshuldes posted 27 weeks ago.

1) Sharing lanes is for real

No one at your local pool will be surprised if you ask to join them in their lane ... and you shouldn't be surprised if someone jumps in with you. Read more here if you like. Swim teams and some masters groups will routinely swim with 5 or 6 to a lane.

2) Masters classes are are not only for serious swimmers

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IthinkIcan posted 27 weeks ago.

Thanks for all the feedback! Very helpful. I'll htfu and figure it out. Guess I'll be choosing a pool by EOM and seeing if I can find a masters group. Now if only I could decide if its better to have pool access closer to work or closer to home... only about a 30min commute, but might be a nice mid-day escape at work.

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TriSooner posted 27 weeks ago.

Re: Masters groups, I have a bit of a cautionary opion originally posted a few weeks ago in Masters Group and Being a Newbie and slightly edited:

In my experience with the masters teams in my area, a 2:12 per 100m slow pace is, uhm, just getting in the way. Masters swimming is different than cycling clubs or running groups. You get off pace in a run or ride and the group easily moves past and you just fall back. But in a lane (a shared lane with 4-6 per lane is possible), if you're off pace you bog down everyone else. Imagine doing speed work on a track and walkers and stollers and dogs on leashes take up all the lanes. You'd be cheesed too. It could be like being a new cyclist and showing up at an office park crit with USCF Cat IVs and IIIs: a big ol' wreck.

I could be wrong, I don't know your masters team (nor do I know your pace). But my local masters teams are mostly former D-1 swimmers and people who only swim and compete nationally for masters titles. I tried training with them, and even though I've finished an IM swim in 1:12, I was proverbially blown out of the water. Go watch a class first. Sit on the pool deck, tell the coach you are interested in joining, and sit back and watch the churn. If the masters team is big enough, they will double (triple, quad, etc) each lane and if you can't hold someone else's pace, you'll clog up the whole workout. Some lanes will be for 1:00 per 100, some lanes will be slower, but not much. (An example might be a 500m in 7:30 warm up). And if you stop during a set and hold onto the wall, you may get feet to the chest during a flip-turn/push-off. Also, the stroke may be an issue. Many of the drills alternate strokes, and if your free is 2:12 slow, then learning a fly or breast stroke (disclaimer: I can do neither) may be prohibitive (not to mention pointless for a tri), then you may be the only person doing free-only.

Keep in mind the coach probably won't tell you this or kick you out because s/he wants your money, but just go and watch (bring your stop watch) and see if any lanes have people in your pace lane. I think another option to explore - if you want a swim group to train with - might be to find a tri group.

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IthinkIcan posted 27 weeks ago.

Thanks TriSooner - those are some really good points that I probably wouldn't have thought of. I like to just jump in and git'r'done. I do not, however like to jump in and get in the way. I think I found a hotel near my work that offers gym memberships and I've heard the pool is pretty much always empty. Only caveat has been that it maybe doesn't have enough clorine and tends to not have a lifeguard. I'm not so hopeless to need a lifeguard, but ya never know right?

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jtrimom posted 27 weeks ago.

IthinkIcan wrote:
Thanks TriSooner - those are some really good points that I probably wouldn't have thought of. I like to just jump in and git'r'done. I do not, however like to jump in and get in the way. I think I found a hotel near my work that offers gym memberships and I've heard the pool is pretty much always empty. Only caveat has been that it maybe doesn't have enough clorine and tends to not have a lifeguard. I'm not so hopeless to need a lifeguard, but ya never know right?

there is a lifeguard at my gym, but he was late one morning. The pool lights were out, and the swimmers were waiting patiently outside the door. One VERY old, cranky lady, (with a flowered bathing cap) was having NONE of that, and opened the door and hopped in the pool to do her exercises...in the pitch black darkness. I wouldn't recommend that. But it was the story of the week at the J.

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Apons posted 27 weeks ago.

As everyone has pointed out sharing a lane is very common. However be prepared to be shot down if you ask to share a lane. Some people don't know anything about pool etiquette and sharing. Two stories:

1. I was swimmimg in my own lane at a YMCA in Seattle, Wa when a very old, small oriental women hops into my lane and points to another lane. I stop, ask her what's up and she screams at me at me in a foreign language and points to another lane. Now, I'm 6'2" and 210lbs but this woman scared the hell out of me so I move. No big deal but in her mind that lane was hers, and always was hers, so I had to move.

2. I'm in St. Augustine, FL at a health club for an early morning swim. Three lanes, all taken. I stand at the end of one of the lanes and wait for the swimmer to recognize me. At the far end she stops, stands up and shakes her head. I say "excuse me". She says there is no room for me to share a lane. I ask "why not". She continues to swim. I end up jumping in another lane with some 300# lady (very nice lady by the way) who is literally doing the doggy paddle up and back. Again no big deal but I was a little shocked at the first womens attitude.

Anyway be prepared for rejection and just adjust. Have fun!!

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prendergi posted 27 weeks ago.

If you find a Master's class, you can always call and find out if it would be a fit for you or not. If it doesn't fit you right now, maybe they have some suggestions.

I'm not in New England so I don't know if you have a YMCA near by but you should definetly check it out. Depending on the time of day at our Y will depend on the size of the lane but they are all always shared. In the morning, when they first open (5:30), they have broken up in to three sections. A fast lane, medium lane, and a slow lane. There is a wide range of swimming abilities. The lanes are really wide so passing is very easy but I have been there when the lanes are narrower and the passing is a little more difficult if it is crowded. They split the lanes up by times. If you can swim down and back in under a minute then you are in the fast lane. If it takes you a minute to 1:30 minutes to swim down and back you go to the medium lane and any longer time you go to the slow lane. (it is something along those time lines.)

More times than not, I'm the slower one in the fast lane. One guy that swims, use to be pro-triathlete, one swam in college. There was another girl in the lane that was a swimmer in college. Another guy that is just simply stronger than I, but I can't move down because some that are in the middle lane should probably be in the slow lane and are too proud to move there. I am use to the fact that compared to them I am slower but I also try and use them as my training aids. If I have to do sprints - I try and take off right after them and stay on their feet.

Good Luck! I hope you find somewhere soon!

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jonovision_man posted 27 weeks ago.

I wish I could share a lane with ONE person... in one of the pools I swim in there's often 3 or 4 of us! I'm not joking - they reserve 1/3 of the pool for "slow" (mostly walkers), 1/3 of the pool for "medium" (slow swimmers and faster walkers), and 1/3 of the pool for "fast" (adequate and better swimmers). It's 2 lanes for fast, and normally it's very busy.

It's hell, so I've gone to a different pool that isn't as busy.

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firegirl posted 27 weeks ago.

+1 to the etiquette advice; and be prepared if others do not observe the same rules. i've crashed into people who just jumped in front of me or the group of foreign exchange students who were just playing in the shallow end of the lap lanes.

but don't sweat it either way. i'm really really really bad in the water, but i can swim back and forth. and i'm usually the slowest, but sometimes i'm not. either way, i'm in the pool. and if the swim is your weak spot, it doesn't matter how you do it, you HAVE to put the time in the pool if you don't want to freak and feel like you're dying the whole swim...
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IthinkIcan posted 27 weeks ago.

firegirl wrote:
....ask me how i know.

I'll bite, care to share the story? :)

BTW this is all reiterating the thought of probably making it worth signing up for a shorter try before the big'un at IMAZ. So thanks for the candid replies.

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davidmi24 posted 27 weeks ago.

You should consider yourself EXTREMELY lucky that you need only worry about sharing a lane with ONE person. I train @ my local NYSC, and sometimes I'm lucky enough to share a lane with one person, but most of the time I'll have to decide between swimming with two other people much slower than I, or just postponing my workout because I wouldn't be able to complete a beneficial workout swimming between those two.
Sometimes this raises my ire to the point where I'd like to casually tell the people swimming 1:30 LAPS (and stopping for another minute @ the wall), that they're simply wasting their time, because the 10 calories they burn doing their workout could easily be accomplished by walking 2 laps around the pool.
Then I remember my swim etiquette, and the fact that other swimmers have just as much right to swim in the lane as I do. I swallow my anger and pray that my quiet perservance will be rewarded by another swimmer's early exit.
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tri-ac posted 27 weeks ago.

i swim at a 24hr fitness early in the morning. it is only 2 lanes. but i've found that if you can dominate a time slot, you can get it to yourself because people start to assume that you will always be there at that time.

psst!...and, if you get some non-serious interloper thrashing (or lounging) all over the lane erratically, sometimes, just sometimes, if you sprint 50's or 100's, you can intimidate the fish-out-of-water sharing your lane with the speed and chop...key point being that you're able to keep going beyond a dilettante's few reps. it actually doesn't take a lot of speed, just has to look like specific training...and look at your watch a lot. i'm not saying i've ever done this because that's mean, but i'm told that it works ;)

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jtrimom posted 27 weeks ago.

tri-ac wrote:
i swim at a 24hr fitness early in the morning. it is only 2 lanes. but i've found that if you can dominate a time slot, you can get it to yourself because people start to assume that you will always be there at that time.

psst!...and, if you get some non-serious interloper thrashing (or lounging) all over the lane erratically, sometimes, just sometimes, if you sprint 50's or 100's, you can intimidate the fish-out-of-water sharing your lane with the speed and chop...key point being that you're able to keep going beyond a dilettante's few reps. it actually doesn't take a lot of speed, just has to look like specific training...and look at your watch a lot. i'm not saying i've ever done this because that's mean, but i'm told that it works ;)

I've actually had a woman leave a lane to share with someone else when she saw me coming. I sort of took offense and told her I would be happy to share. She said I scare her because I am too fast. SCARE her! Another time, another lady said I could share her lane, but said, "Please don't hurt me." I am NOT kidding. and I don't flail- I stay on my half the lane. I don't know if I should be proud or embarrassed about my reputation in the pool :S

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tri-ac posted 27 weeks ago.

jtrimom wrote:
I've actually had a woman leave a lane to share with someone else when she saw me coming. I sort of took offense and told her I would be happy to share. She said I scare her because I am too fast. SCARE her! Another time, another lady said I could share her lane, but said, "Please don't hurt me." I am NOT kidding. and I don't flail- I stay on my half the lane. I don't know if I should be proud or embarrassed about my reputation in the pool :S

please, Hammer, don't hurt 'em!

yeah, you feel bad...you want to promote healthy lifestyles by encouraging everyone to workout, but sometimes it's really nice not to have to circle swim! :)

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cutiger95 posted 26 weeks ago.

Well onto the subject of timing. I swim normally at lunch, and will punch in from 30 to 45 mins on my workouts. I tried getting up earlier but i ran into all the interlopers who were working out and had to share lanes.

At lunch except for the months of Jan. and April I get to pick which empty lane to get into. Now Jan. an April (why no clue) I have to share lanes for the first couple of weeks. Then the hippo's go back to grazing in the peepee (wading) pool at my local YMCA.

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KitKat posted 26 weeks ago.

Smartass advice - suck it up and get used to it. IM you're going to be racing in a human washing machine.

Sugar coated advice - Stay on your side of the lane and it will be ok. Remember to breathe once and awhile, that helps.

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wirebook posted 26 weeks ago.

KitKat wrote:
Smartass advice - suck it up and get used to it. IM you're going to be racing in a human washing machine.

Sugar coated advice - Stay on your side of the lane and it will be ok. Remember to breathe once and awhile, that helps.

Perhaps the best two-sided advice out there. Kat nailed it. At the end of the of the day, an IM swim is nothing but a big-ass washing machine*. The swim in a local pool with a few people sharing lanes doesn't even qualify for floating in a bathrub status in comparison.

*Eventually it calms down...like when you get out of the water.