Pull Buoy problem - spinning
It's hard to say without seeing your stroke. I'll guess that you're rotating your body too much--I mean, that seems obvious, right?--but it's tough to offer any intelligent advise without seeing more of your mechanics. Still, it sounds like maybe you're not quite ready to pull; probably you ought to stick to straight swimming drills until you get your stroke a bit more under control.
My standard advice lately has been to suggest "catch up" drill. I continue to think that that's the most useful drill for fixing most stroke problems. If you can do it with a decent kick, breathing every 3rd stroke, you'll help yourself a lot.
That said, you might try "fingertip drag" here. Essentially, all you want to do is drag your fingertips through the water as you recover your arms. You want to drag your fingertips right up along your ribcage and past your shoulders. This forces your elbows high, shortening the length of time and effort it takes to recover each stroke, and in your case, it may keep your body from rotating so damn much. "Fingertip drag" is also a good drill to work for hand placement. You want to slide your hand into the water maybe 6"-8" short of your full stroke extension with your hand canted 45-degrees to the side. You want your hand to slide into the water, and then push to full extension before taking your stroke. Then pull underwater down the centerline of your body, and repeat.
Heh. Let's hope that makes some sense. It's probably going to be a lot to think about the first few times you do it.
DannoE
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Hi, thanks for the detailed advice - I'll try the drills.
I am actually rotating on purpuse(not only with the buoy but all the time) because that's the way I can have a full extention when one arm is full stroke and the other one is finishing the push. Without buoy works ok, but with the buoy the rotation is amplified by the buoy itself I guess.
But as you say, it might be hard to give proper advice without actually seeing....
It could be that you balance in the water is off, I see this a lot with swimmers that are new to the sport. Here is a good link with drills to improve your balance and streamline position
http://www.slb-coaching.com/trainingInformation.asp?Id=56
Best of success!
I used to have that feeling as well. I don't know what I did to correct it (it was a while ago that I felt it and there was tons of stroke work and little bouy work between feeling it and not), but just letting you know you aren't the only one, and that it does go away once things are worked out (at least somewhat) in your stroke :)
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Hi, thanks for the detailed advice - I'll try the drills.I am actually rotating on purpuse(not only with the buoy but all the time) because that's the way I can have a full extention when one arm is full stroke and the other one is finishing the push. Without buoy works ok, but with the buoy the rotation is amplified by the buoy itself I guess.
But as you say, it might be hard to give proper advice without actually seeing....
Unless a coach told you that you need to rotate more, you almost certainly need to rotate less. With backstroke, shoulder-roll is a big part of the stroke. The same is definitely NOT true of freestyle.
Keep the water at about mid-forehead, pull down the center-line of your body (maybe six inches off of your chest), and keep your elbows high. Shoulder/hip roll is actually slight with freestyle, and definitely not something you should have to work on.
Also, if you're rotating a lot, I have to wonder if maybe you're reaching too far across at the top of your stroke. If you think of the space in front of you like a clock, you want to put your hands in at 12 o'clock, i.e. straight in front of you. You definitely DO NOT want to reach across your body so that your right hand goes in at 11 o'clock and your left hand goes in at 1 o'clock. That's kind of disastrous. You'll be waggling in the water and twisting all over the place.
Have someone look at your stroke. If you're reaching too far across, then think about pulling wider. I personally had to make this adjustment to my stroke when I was in college. It's common enough, but it's also necessary.
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one..."
Shoulder/hip roll is actually slight with freestyle, and definitely not something you should have to work on.
Slight gives me the impression that you're talking about 5 degrees of rotation in either direction, when optimal is probbly closer to 30-40 degrees. No, you most definitely do not want to be turning over onto your side when swimming free, but you should have a very distinct body roll back and forth.
Natalie Coughlin Freestyle Tips
Watch her body roll. It's certainly not exaggerated, but it's pretty obvious.
Slight gives me the impression that you're talking about 5 degrees of rotation in either direction, when optimal is probbly closer to 30-40 degrees. No, you most definitely do not want to be turning over onto your side when swimming free, but you should have a very distinct body roll back and forth.Natalie Coughlin Freestyle Tips
Watch her body roll. It's certainly not exaggerated, but it's pretty obvious.
But Natalie is a sprinter. Her extreme amount of kicking helps keep her from over-rotating. As distance swimmers, there's no way we should be kicking that much - look at her kick in the non-slow-mo segments - WAY higher kick turnover than you'll see on a distance swimmer. Distance swimmers have to be careful not to over-rotate their hips the way Natalie is doing here because we don't have that strong driving 6-beat kick to keep the power going, especially if we're going to bike and run afterwards as Olympic swimmers don't have to do.
Watch Grant Hackett's hips in this video, not nearly the rotation you'll see on Natalie.
This is all just my .02 of course, but for distance swimming you want plenty of torso rotation, not so much in the hips, plus a good 2-beat kick that keeps your hips stable but doesn't hog up oxygen like a 6-beat kick does.
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I have tryied various drills posted here.
It seems I have a problem with my position in general. I tryied side kick drill (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QclQQc3w1Zg&feature=related) and when I go with my right side in the water it is ok, but with my left side I can hardly do 25m - I have the impression I am drowning and I cannot breath.
So I guess I should take my time with this drill and catch-up drill - this last one makes me more confortable.










Hi,
I bought a pull buoy and tried it this morning but I was actually unable to use it.
When I use the pull buoy, after I start crawling with my hands a couple of times, the body (actually the legs) rotates too much and it almost has the tendency to come in a backstroke position! Well, maybe I exagerate a bit, but that's the feeling.
Instead of concentrating on my hands pull , I have to concentrate on getting my body back to normal position.
Any idea what I am doing wrong?
Thanks