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Can't flutter kick....

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started by stuff273 on April 10, 2009

Well, I've been swimming for about a year now and I'm not too bad at it, except for not being able to kick hard and fast. I can do a 50 in about 27sec., but that's without being able to kick fast, my arms do all the work. I've been looking online and asking my coach about the problem and everyone is telling me the same advice: hips up, butt out of water, and legs straight. I've been trying to do these things, but I just go very slow and I become worn out just doing 25 m, usually I have to do a couple breast-stroke kicks just to keep going. My teammates have also been telling me that I am doing all these things, I'm just not moving like they are.

Can anyone please give me some advice as to what I'm doing wrong, I'm not in bad shape so I don't understand why some of my teammates who are bigger than me can kick faster than me.

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Ironmom posted 30 weeks ago.

Chances are, you’re doing one of two things. You’re either bending your knees too much when you kick, which is the most common kicking mistake people make, or you’re not bending your ankles/feet enough.

First, the “popcorn knees” (I call it that because if you flip over and kick on your back, your knees will look like popcorn popping out of the water). It’s only natural to do this, we humans bend our knees to do everything else, but in the pool it costs us a lot of extra energy and drag to do so. To see if this is your issue, kick on your back holding the end of a kickboard very loosely in your hands with the kickboard itself extending (floating) over the tops of your thighs and knees. If your knees hit the board, you have popcorn knees. But wait, some people cheat by simply bending their knees but keeping their feet underwater. So what you need to do is kick with your feet breaking the surface but without your knees hitting the board, then you will start fixing this issue. I like this drill because you can tell what you’re doing and whether you’re getting better without a coach there, it’s self-correcting.

In order to kick correctly without the knee bending, you should be feeling it in the tops of the backs of your legs (upper hamstrings) and in your glutes. You can stand at the end of the pool and tense those muscles and then start kicking and try to feel the same muscles firing.

Second, the ankle/foot flexibility. Usually when people start trying to kick with straighter legs, they also lock their feet/ankles up. This is the pat-your-head-rub-your-tummy syndrome. As you try to bend one thing less, you also bend the other thing less. To counter this, stand on the pool deck and kick one foot as if you’re trying to kick peanut butter off of your toes, in a toe-flipping kind of motion. Notice how your leg doesn’t bend much but your foot flops around. This is the sensation you want while kicking – very little knee bend, lots of up and down with the foot. Now get in the pool and stand at the end and do the same peanut-butter-toe-flick. Then start kicking. Chances are, you’ll be moving quite a bit faster than you were before. But then you might find yourself slowing down again. If so, stop where you are (do not reinforce poor kicking technique). Repeat peanut-butter-toe exercise, start kicking again. Repeat if necessary.

This is one of the hardest issues in swimming to tackle (besides breathing). Be patient with yourself, it might take a bit of time to conquer this. After all, on land we never walk around with straight knees and floppy ankles, it’s an inherently un-humanlike motion. So it’s something we have to teach ourselves to do.

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stuff273 posted 29 weeks ago.

Thank you so much! This is much better information I've been getting from anyone else. I haven't been able to get in the water yet, because of Easter weekend, but as soon as I can I'll tell you how it works out for me.

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Ironmom posted 29 weeks ago.

Yes, definitely let us know how it's going!

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jonovision_man posted 29 weeks ago.

Ironmom wrote:
To see if this is your issue, kick on your back holding the end of a kickboard very loosely in your hands with the kickboard itself extending (floating) over the tops of your thighs and knees. If your knees hit the board, you have popcorn knees. But wait, some people cheat by simply bending their knees but keeping their feet underwater. So what you need to do is kick with your feet breaking the surface but without your knees hitting the board, then you will start fixing this issue. I like this drill because you can tell what you’re doing and whether you’re getting better without a coach there, it’s self-correcting.

Thanks for this tip - I've also had kicking trouble, and tried this on Sunday... I whacked the flutterboard, so I know this is an issue! A few lengths and I was able to correct it somewhat, but will keep repeating this.

jono

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stuff273 posted 28 weeks ago.

Okay, so after a long band trip in Texas I was finally able to get in the pool yesterday and get some swimming in. After doing the kickboard drill, I noticed I was not kicking the board at all and my feet were out of the water, so I don't think that's the probable. However, when I was trying to flick peanut butter off my toe and my foot wouldn't move at all. So I think I found the problem and today while swimming again, I found myself moving faster, not much, but a difference that I was definitly able to notice.

As I was moving my ankles more, my bottom half was not able to stay afloat as easily and I was doing a lot of bycle kicks. So is there any drill I can do to stop this from occuring, or will it just come after learning to make every part of my leg move in synch? Also how can I improve this flexibility with my ankles at my house?

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skny posted 22 weeks ago.

I am not a strong swimmer by any means, but I have fought through the distances up to the Iron distance that I am trying at the end of the year. One thing that is helping my kick is the purchase of "Zoomer" fins. I have poor ankle flexibility from 25 + years of competitive soccer and all of the corresponding ankle injuries. The Zoomers are very short fins that help improve your efficiency without propelling you as fast a full length fins. After a few hundred with the Zoomers, I was able to better mimic the kick and I have noticed as I continue using them that my ankles are becoming more flexible. Hope this helps and I am sure others may be able to provide additional feedback!