Approach to Swim Training?
I don't know what others do, but I train with intervals at speed, including sprints. I think as with other sports, you get a certain amount of benefit out of going for distance at medium heart rates, but another kind of benefit altogether in adding speedwork and sprints. I swim at least once a week with the Master's team, and that makes sure I do some hard interval work in the pool during the week.
The last Master's workout (Main set) I did was:
5 x 100 @ 1:50 interval
4 x 25 sprint all out @:30
5 x 100 @1:45
4 x 25 sprint @ :35
5 x 100 @ 1:35
4 x 25 sprint @40
5 x 100 @1:30
The 100s were at 1:20 pace, 25's trying to hit :15 or under.
Blue Skies, -Robin-
http://ironmom.blogspot.com/
BTW, if you're looking for workouts to try, I often put the workouts I write up for our Master's team here.
Blue Skies, -Robin-
http://ironmom.blogspot.com/
BTW, if you're looking for workouts to try, I often put the workouts I write up for our Master's team here.
Awesome.
BTW, that's the exact opposite of what I thought you were going to say, but it certainly sounds good. Maybe a little speed work is what the doctor ordered, especially since it seems like I'll be off my feet for at least a week or so.
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one..."
Awesome.BTW, that's the exact opposite of what I thought you were going to say, but it certainly sounds good.
Really??? LOL.
Well, it sounds like you're already very comfortable in the water, have decent technique, and can easily go the distance. Those are all prerequisates for speed work, especially the good technique part.
Enjoy the burn!
Blue Skies, -Robin-
http://ironmom.blogspot.com/
Your profile is the same as mine (Olympic distance, intermediate, and swim as favorite leg). I like to keep my swims less than 2000 yards total, and that is because I have to focus on getting my bike up to a level on par with my swim and run. I do three workouts a week: 1 day for sprints/drills (1x400, 2x200, 4x100, 8x50, 12x25), One day of 3x500, and one day 1x1500. The sprints/drills I do at race pace for the 400 and 200, and 100% for 100's and shorter (heart rate gets way high but only for about 15-20 minutes). The 3x500 I do at race pace. The 1x1500 is a bit off race pace, and I use it mainly to make my body remember what a 1500yd swim is like. My race pace is about 1:35 right now, and I never feel overtrained with this workout routine, and I feel like I'm making gains (I just started putting in consistent workouts in the pool again). I don't do kicks or pulls because I like to save my legs for the bike and run workouts (practice the way you play / train the way you fight). These are short and sweet swims by design, so they might not fit your current situation, but could help when you get back to biking/running more.
Concerning your run, I think swimming always helps my running effort. If you hold your breath for a couple of strokes off the push from the wall, the hypoxic (?) affect really helps your body learn how to work without a lot of oxygen. If you're doing it right, you'll feel an incredible burn throughout your body, especially if you're going at a hard pace.....I love that feeling!
Really??? LOL.
Well yeah. Because I'm not gonna be able to run or bike much this week. So I was thinking about trying to block out about 2 hours and put in maybe 6K at a medium pace, hoping for the aerobic benefit to carry over to the other disciplines. But I don't think ANYONE in their 30's actually WANTS to put in 6K, so yeah, I think you told me what I wanted to hear.
'Course the pool was closed last night. Argh.
I don't do kicks or pulls because I like to save my legs for the bike and run workouts (practice the way you play / train the way you fight)...Concerning your run, I think swimming always helps my running effort. If you hold your breath for a couple of strokes off the push from the wall, the hypoxic (?) affect really helps your body learn how to work without a lot of oxygen. If you're doing it right, you'll feel an incredible burn throughout your body, especially if you're going at a hard pace.....I love that feeling!
Thanks for that. It's always good to see what other folks are doing, and in this case, my approach has been pretty similar.
That said, I think you should work in at least a little bit of kicking and pulling. Kicking is good because it gives your shoulders a chance to rest, making you stronger for your next hard set. Kicking is also good because it's both aerobic and challenging if you work it.
As for pulling, I personally think it's one of the most important ways that a distance-swimmer can build muscular endurance. Your heart-rate is typically lower during pulling, so you can really focus on the muscular part of the sport, especially over mid-distance work. This is very beneficial--in the same way that having stronger quads helps you with your bike-leg and having a decent benchpress helps you with the 2-minute push-up test: you'll have more muscular endurance if you're pushing a lower percentage of your total muscular capacity.
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one..."
That said, I think you should work in at least a little bit of kicking and pulling. Kicking is good because it gives your shoulders a chance to rest, making you stronger for your next hard set. Kicking is also good because it's both aerobic and challenging if you work it.
+1 Also, kicking is beneficial to biking and running because it works all of the supporting muscles from your hips down to your toes, and stretches and strengthens your entire leg support system. I personally believe that it helps in injury prevention in biking/running. Also, many triathletes do not kick efficiently, mistakenly believing that they don't need to kick since they're wearing a wetsuit in a race. An efficient kick is necessary for proper form and achieving a powerful stroke.
Blue Skies, -Robin-
http://ironmom.blogspot.com/
RE: kicks and pulls. I know I should do them, but they fall off my schedule because of time constraints. I have about 45 minutes during a one hour period to get in my swims (the other fifteen minutes is for changing/stretching/travel toandfrom pool). I get in, get the best quality workout possible, and then get going with my day. That's just how it works out for me. Good luck with whatever you end up doing!









Question for the good swimmers out there: How hard do you work your intervals? Do you do mostly Target Heart Rate work, or do you do distance interval work for speed?
I've been putting almost all of my effort recently into bike and especially run training because these are my weaker areas. But now my knees are aching. Both my wife and the Internet agree that I probably need to back down, especially on the running. And since my road bike is in the shop this week, well, I'm gonna be swimming more this weekend than I have in a good while, and probably next weekend as well. So I'm trying to figure out what the right approach is for Triathlon--as opposed to for the 800 meter freestyle.
When I was doing what I thought of as "base training" over the winter, I spent most of my time doing sets of between 200's and 400's, working at maybe 85% MHR. My goal was to get to where I felt comfortable going reasonably fast over a distance of about 1000 yards. Then when it started getting warmer, I backed down the swimming, doing longer sets (but shorter total workouts) slower and following them immediately with a long (for me) bike ride. My goal was just to maintain the feel of the water while conserving energy for the bike, which was more important for me.
But now I'm not exactly sure how to structure my swims if they're gonna have to be my main work for the next couple of weeks. Anybody got any thoughts?
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one..."