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Final workout before carb depleation / taper

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started by hwangnyc on March 24, 2009

What does yours look like?

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TryScott posted 34 weeks ago.

i'm fully aware of carb loading, but I've never heard of carb depletion. a quick Google brought up a lot of bodybuilding links, but maybe there's a place for it in endurance events also...

I'll stick to carb loading. It sounds like a lot more fun.

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burnman posted 34 weeks ago.

Yeah, carb depletion doesn't sound very effective to me. It's like packing your car up for a cross-country trip then hopping on the interstate with your tank on E. How far do you expect to get?

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TriSooner posted 34 weeks ago.

I've heard of it, dabble in it once or twice, but meh, didn't stick to it. I *think* the idea is that you deplete your carbs [i]early in the taper week[i] before you re-load them pre-race, like running your gas tank in your car all the way down to E running errands and then re-filling it before you get on the interstate (to follow the analogy).

If this is the case, the concept is that (somehow) after running a carb deficit you can uptake and store more. Don't know if this is true or not, maybe psychological. If/when I do try it, it is for 70.3/140.6 and marathons. Seems a bit much for shorties.

Wed: Few carbs, mabye <100
Thursday: As little as possible (Carb Depletion)
Friday: Carb load like crazy all day, 500+
Saturday: Carb load breakfast and lunch, then no solid food the rest of the day
Sunday: Race

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hwangnyc posted 34 weeks ago.

Carb depletion is an exhaustive workout before you begin your carb loading. You train without fuel to exhaust your glycogen storage, then you carb load to create a super compensation in glycogen storage. It would look like this
Day 1 – Super hard workout (no carbs for the day)
Day2 – No carbs
Day3 – No carbs
Day4-7 – Carb frenzy

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burnman posted 34 weeks ago.

This is not meant to be argumentative, but if you deplete your glycogen stores and then do a massive upload, aren't you just replacing what was already there? As far as I'm aware, the energy density of muscle glycogen is not a variable - so, in other words, you can't deplete the bad fuel and replace it with a higher grade. You can, over time, increase the net volume of your glycogen stores through strength and endurance training. To beat a dead horse, it sounds like you want to intentionally drive the car to E, just for the sake of re-filling the tank. If there's proof of merit, I'd certainly be interested in hearing about it. Any advantage is an advantage.

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brittda posted 34 weeks ago.

burnman wrote:
This is not meant to be argumentative, but if you deplete your glycogen stores and then do a massive upload, aren't you just replacing what was already there? As far as I'm aware, the energy density of muscle glycogen is not a variable - so, in other words, you can't deplete the bad fuel and replace it with a higher grade. You can, over time, increase the net volume of your glycogen stores through strength and endurance training. To beat a dead horse, it sounds like you want to intentionally drive the car to E, just for the sake of re-filling the tank. If there's proof of merit, I'd certainly be interested in hearing about it. Any advantage is an advantage.

+1 ...I read recently this practice was used by athletes years ago (like in the 80's) but is no being done any more for just this reason. Maybe RunnersWorld?

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hwangnyc posted 34 weeks ago.

In theory you are right we are just taking it down to E. But the way we store glycogen is more complex than a gas tank. By performing a full depleation we create a supercomposation effect. I'll find the literature on this, but I'm certain many professional endurance athletes do this on a regular bases.

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hwangnyc posted 34 weeks ago.

Just a quick Wiki on the topic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbohydrate_loading

I dont have the numbers in front of me but there is a significant difference when you deplete and don't and there is a less extreme version with less depleation.

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texasbob96 posted 31 weeks ago.

there was an article on this in the free handout triathlete magazine at the Galveston Lone Star Tri. I think it's the latest issue. The depletion and supercarbing concept during the 80's or so was invented, but lost luster to more advanced techniques in better foods and fuels.