bike shop dilemma
jperugob, you are well within your right to bargain with the LBS. The mark-up on bikes is huge, so its not like they are going to be taking a loss on the sale. If they refuse to negotiate (which is unlikely if they are reasonable, I personally negotiated the purchase of my last bike) then go ahead and buy online with a light heart as you did your best to give them the opportunity of your business. As for checking out the bike before you made your decision, again, feel free. You won't be doing them any dis-service by taking the bike for a spin and getting all the requisit info. WE are the consumers, and WE should have the power to make the most for our hard-earned dough.
Good luck!
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+1 to jhudalla. Remember these LBSs are 'for profit' business no different than any other. Would you 'feel bad' about test driving a car and buying the same model instead from ebay motors? Would you feel bad if you tried on a shirt in the mall and instead found it on an online retailer?
On to your questions:
1. Get fit at the store and test ride it. Maybe you buy it from them. Maybe not.
2. Absolutely fine. You would do that with any retailer for a purchase in that range. For example, let's say you are looking at a bike and it is $3,000 online and shipping is $75. If your LBS happens to list it for $3,000 (not likely, probably more), the tax is about $250 (at least it would be here), so the difference is that it is $175 more to buy the bike from the LBS. (If you are seeing a $400 'LBS' premium, that is way steep.)
Granted, buying online probably means you'll have to pay the LBS to assemble for you. In this case, they may charge you $175 and at that point, it is a wash. But you do get a few LBS amenities: lifetime adjustments, easy swaps on stems, etc.
I would still negotiate heavily. First, I would ask the LBS to match the online price, AND give me $175 credit since I have to pay tax. And if I'm really feeling pushy, I'd ask for a 3% credit on top of that if I'm paying with cash and they don't have to pay the credit card merchant fee (or whatever % their merchant fee is).
3. How do you maintain a good relationship with your LBS? Be honest and tell them upfront that you've found a bike online - one that they retail on their shop floor - and you'd like to give them the opportunity to match it. Provide them with specs (frame, wheel set, build group, etc.) and flatter them. "Hey, I like your shop, but I can't see spending an extra $400 just to buy here. Can you work with me on this? Assuming a comparable build group, can you match this price?" And if they say yes, then say, "Oh, and you pay my tax too since the online merchant doesn’t charge sales tax and has cheap shipping."
If they don't match, then you are guilt free. You tried. You might even remind them of that when you bring in a bunch of boxes and ask them to assemble the bike for you.
I'd say you should definitely tell the LBS what bike you like, test ride it, but also let them know what price you saw it for online. They are a business, as has been said, but if you plan to bring it in for service they will know if you went and bought the same thing elsewhere. To avoid hard feelings give them a chance to match the price, or convince you why you should still buy from them (lifetime of service/tuneups can be worth it... or the little freebees they sometimes throw in with the bike can add up - like fitting, waterbottle cage(s), etc).
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Tel the LBS that you are looking at some bikes at different places (and name a couple they don't carry) and that you'd like to see how they fit you. Take out the one you want, then ride something else they have, tell them "thanks" and disappear for a couple hours. Call them up, tell them you like the bike, but have just noticed it is listed somewhere else for $400 less and see what deal they can give you. Either they read the situation as it is and feel offended that you used them to test ride a bike you never intended to purchase from them, at which point you can always buy the bike online and have a different shop assemble it, or put it together yourself (there's a shop in Chicago where you can go and actually rent tools for a couple hours to put your bike together if you don't have all the special ones like BB wrench and cassette lockring adapter). Or, they actually want your money (and your future money) and treat you to a discount that lets you to buy there again and again.
I went through a similar situation about a month ago. I had been shopping around the bike shops, found the one that had what I wanted and the guys are great there. I got fitted, talked money with them and said I'd be back in a little later after I had the money figured out. I checked eBay and ended up finding a QR Kilo for real cheap and jumped on it, before I knew it I had won the auction. When I got the bike I walked, (sheepishly might fit here) in to the LBS. They were cool, asked me how much I got it for, when I told them they agreed that I made a good choice. Kinda ticked that I didn't buy there, but I brought it to them to be checked over and will be fitted on the bike tommorow or Friday.
Obviuosly LBS's are looking for sales, the bigger the better. In the end though, repeat business and a good reputation can go a lot farther. I'll be there for jerseys/gear/tubes/everything that goes with it, and throw their name out whenever I get the chance
i dont know what today will bring to me, but thats just fine.
thanks for the quick replies, some good advice and some good points, appreciate it.
I have done this. I test rode 5 different bikes at my LBS before deciding on a bike. Then I shopped around and found a deal on ebay. Once I received the bike I took it to them for assembly and fit. they were cool about it. The LBS here is more interested in getting people into the sport and know that by being honest they will get your business someday. It totally worked too. There is another shop down the street that I will not give the time of day because of their sales people. They may have lost the sale of a bike but they gained a lifelong customer and I have thus purchased all my accessories from them and stop into the shop on occassion just to chat with the employees (and usually end up buying something I did not need).
I went to 4 LBS's here before I settled on my road bike. All were cool. I test road a couple from each shop. Finally settled on the one closest to my house which actually made me a deal on an '08 and knocked about $400 off the price....so, there is definitely room to negotiate. The cool thing is now, I am in there buying lights, seat bag, bottles, etc and they seem me enough that they do freebies here and there....one of the bennies of dealing with your LBS.
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You have to remember that the people working at the LBS are just like everyone else; trying to find the most bang for their buck. Most everyone working at an LBS, except maybe the owner, aren't exactly pulling 6 figure salaries if you get my drift. So most will empathize with you in your effort to save money.
I too like to support the local guy, but my first priority is to keep my wallet fat.
You have to remember that the people working at the LBS are just like everyone else; trying to find the most bang for their buck. Most everyone working at an LBS, except maybe the owner, aren't exactly pulling 6 figure salaries if you get my drift. So most will empathize with you in your effort to save money.I too like to support the local guy, but my first priority is to keep my wallet fat.
I think negotiating is the way to go, and under most circumstances they will oblige. You also have to think about what others have said here: buying a bike for "more" at an LBS may be more upfront - but along with that come discounts and "special treatment" for things down the road. It's like a family - you get to know the local guy and they help you out.
I tend to believe, and I may be on my own here, that using a shop to demo things knowing in advance that you are going to purchase it elsewhere is taking advantage of their policies. To me it kind of seems deceptive. Test driving a car costs the company money - gas, insurance, time of the employee - and if you go there knowing you're just going to fool them into letting you drive the car and then buy it somewhere else, then it just doesn't seem like an honest way of doing things, respectfully. But that's just my personal feeling.
I tend to believe, and I may be on my own here, that using a shop to demo things knowing in advance that you are going to purchase it elsewhere is taking advantage of their policies. To me it kind of seems deceptive. Test driving a car costs the company money - gas, insurance, time of the employee - and if you go there knowing you're just going to fool them into letting you drive the car and then buy it somewhere else, then it just doesn't seem like an honest way of doing things, respectfully. But that's just my personal feeling.
Agreed. I would only take their time and use their bike if there was a real possibility I was going to buy from them. These small businesses aren't generally huge cash cows, the owners are mostly in it because they love cycling, I try not to take advantage of them.
That being said, I went to my LBS, tried on shoes, then checked for prices on the Internet... when they couldn't touch the price, I bought on-line. Didn't feel completely right, though, but I did originally go there with good intentions! :)
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Just wanted to give an update, since all of you were kind enough to give me some advice.
Well, I took the advice about being straight up, went to the shop, I explained to them my situation, what I was looking for, that I had seen this particular bike in their store, in the size that I think might fit me, but I found it online for significantly cheaper. I didn’t ask to try the bike out, because I figured I wanted to get the important stuff first. Basically they told me they could only take off $100 off the price. They justified this by saying that they really don’t make a lot of money off bikes, and that the service included in the purchase price(two tune ups, and the fitting) justifies them not having match. I told them I would think about it and that’s that. I was a little disappointed, $100 is not bad, but I just didn’t like the way they were acting as soon as I mentioned the other advertised price. It was almost like they were offended that I should ask for a discount. I can see the some of their points in regards to the free service, and if you add it up, it kind of makes sense, but it’s the attitude that kind of got me. Not sure if I am going to purchase now. But thanks for the advice.
It was great to hear this story out, so often I wonder what was made of all of this great advice people get from their trifuel friends.
As for the result, dont feel bad about it. There are many retailers out there, if they want your business they need to out-perform the competition beit by great prices or unbeatable service. If this place wasn't willing to do either, fuggetaboud'm. I would say checking out the bike without the intent of purchasing is doing no harm at all. Its in your own best interest. A model which our whole economy and arguably civilization thrives on. If anything, by stepping into the store you are giving them an opportunity to WOW you with their great workmanship and friendly service.
Adam Smith:
"It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own self-interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own neccessities but of their advantages."
Weary is the path that does not challenge.
My heart doesn't really bleed for bike shops because I've heard way too many stories from friends who aren't doing their own maintenance, that take their bikes in for a simple fix and get severely gouged and taken advantage of in the process. Besides, it's your money, and this is a free market. I was a long time supporter of the LBS but when I was quoted a price online for my BMC pro machine that was roughly half
of what the LBS quoted me, I was converted forever. Besides, a shop like "Competitive Cyclist" will send a bike, wheelset and even a seat to demo right to your front door. How amazing is that!! Bikes are a long term investment so you want to get the most bang for your buck. The guilt of not using a shop will subside but that great deal will go the distance and then some.
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I have had my eye on a tri-bike for sometime, its not a necessity, I don’t need it, but would definitely be a benefit if I could afford it(see below). So, I find the bike online, new, closeout, listed for $400 less than my LBS listing. I have never ridden the bike, but if I test ride and it feels good, I would consider it. So my questions are:
1. Do you think it is unfair to go and test ride a bike at a LBS without purchasing from the shop?
2. Would it still be unfair if you asked the shop to match or at least come close to matching the price online?
3. If question 1 is not cool, how would you go about test riding a bike without offending a the LBS?
I hate buying online if I can buy local, and I hate jerking around shops, it just doesn’t sit right with me, but I just can’t see spending an extra 400 bucks.
Any opinions would be appreciated.
Thanks,
J
(I currently am riding an average road bike, I have done an HIM, a couple of Olympics and sprints, currently training for IM KY, the road bike suits me just fine, I am just thinking that the tri geometry(if it fits) will be better all around since I am only focusing on IM distance from here on out)