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I know that I saw FireTri mention doing Crossfit in the thread about workout routines. Is any one else here regularly doing a Crossfit routine, either at a gym or at home?? I'm starting a Crossfit class tomorrow and am interested in other people's experiences. For me, it's about the fact that after years of Tri training I have a lot of endurance but very little strength. I can't do one chin-up. And I'm about to test for Brown belt in karate, which means I'll be entering my year of Black belt preparation and feel like strength is the one element I'm lacking.

If it helps my triathlon performance, that would be a bonus, I'm especially interested in the notion put forth on sites like Crossfit Endurance that one can train for something like an Ironman in shorter more explosive sessions rather than tons of LSD training. Not sure if I believe that or not, but I'm interested enough to try it out.

So anyone else doing this, I'd love to hear your experiences so far.

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rhane posted 38 weeks ago.

I remember reading about Crossfit about a year and a half ago when the movie "300" came out. The actors and stuntmen trained with a similar program and got into tremendous shape. The guy who coached them was a mountaineer and routinely trains professional football players and MMA fighters. As far as being able to train for an Ironman with only short workouts of maximal or threshold intensity - I/m with you, I don't believe that either. Strength and strength endurance have a very important place, but when it comes to an Ironman, the majority of training is based on a large aerobic foundation. New vasculature is formed your metabolic pathways are stressed, all in preparation for the long endurance event. The notion that these physiological changes also take place when you workout "really hard" for an hour or two just isn't reality. Physiologically it just doesn't happen.

That said, programs like CrossFit get you into EXCELLENT condition and the added muscular endurance and strength you will get out of it will benefit you at every triathlon distance, as well as in karate. You already have a what, 13 and change Ironman anyway right? I can do around 30 pullups at once, I'll trade you.

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Ironmom posted 38 weeks ago.

rhane wrote:
As far as being able to train for an Ironman with only short workouts of maximal or threshold intensity - I/m with you, I don't believe that either. Strength and strength endurance have a very important place, but when it comes to an Ironman, the majority of training is based on a large aerobic foundation. New vasculature is formed your metabolic pathways are stressed, all in preparation for the long endurance event. The notion that these physiological changes also take place when you workout "really hard" for an hour or two just isn't reality. Physiologically it just doesn't happen.

This is my basis of experience as well. However the Crossfit endurance site has some stories of people, including a photo of a guy running a 50k who only trained 7 miles. And other Crossfit endurance blogs have stories of people turning in 13 hour IM times on 6 - 7 hours a week of training. The claim is that your muscles make similar physiological adaptations on shorter more stressful workouts as they do in LSD. It's an intriguing concept. Not sure I'd throw my entire training schedule in that direction, but I'm willing to start incorporating it at least

rhane wrote:
That said, programs like CrossFit get you into EXCELLENT condition and the added muscular endurance and strength you will get out of it will benefit you at every triathlon distance, as well as in karate.

Yes, I'm really hoping it will benefit my sprint times. I don't tend to go much faster at sprint than I do at Oly distance - 1:12 sprint and 1:24 Oly means I don't really have any more speed at shorter distances. The idea of being in excellent condition is appealing, all on its own, LOL.

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You already have a what, 13 and change Ironman anyway right? I can do around 30 pullups at once, I'll trade you.

:-)

12 and change. And Kona qualifying in my age group was 11 and change, so I have some incentive to train to go faster next time around.

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rhane posted 38 weeks ago.

11 and change...that's extremely impressive.

I would tend to think that the athletes performing very well after CrossFit training already had a substantial background in those distance events. If not, maybe there is something to be said about the CrossFit training that I don't know about. Either way, please keep this thread alive with updates of the program and how it works for you.

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Merchant46 posted 38 weeks ago.

I just started a week ago, so I can't say yet how it's going. I'll post about my experience in a few months once I have a better idea on the results. What I can tell you is that while the workouts are short, you are absolutely gassed after them.

I got started on the recommendation of a friend who is not an endurance athlete, but was an Olympic volleyball player and says he's now in the best shape of his life at age 46 after having started in July. This guy doesn't get excited about anything, so hearing the enthusiasm in his voice was convincing that it has worked for him.

A lot of what I've read in Crossfit Journal actually makes sense in relation to what I've read from other sources and personal experiences, though I am a little skeptical that such short workouts can be effective for longer distance races.

To be continued...

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Nobody posted 38 weeks ago.

Just be careful....crossfit type of explosive performance can also lead to explosive - and a very rapid onset - of injuries.

Greatness is only achieved by those who perpetually raise the expectations of themselves to the point where it ruins their life.

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cutiger95 posted 38 weeks ago.

I tried the crossfit workouts for a while, but my Y doesn't allow us to utilize the weights in the manner that a lot of crossfit excercises are suppose to be done.

That being said I think that if you have a crossfit class and coach it would be an excellent addition to your training regime.

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brittda posted 38 weeks ago.

I would be interested in hearing how it works for y'all. Like Ironmom, I can't do a chin up to save my life, and don't have a lot of speed.

Ironmom, is your class at a local gym?

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Ironmom posted 38 weeks ago.

brittda wrote:
I would be interested in hearing how it works for y'all. Like Ironmom, I can't do a chin up to save my life, and don't have a lot of speed.

Ironmom, is your class at a local gym?

Yes, it's at a gym that's in this guy's garage! He's got about 30 people working out there, it looks like a great little community of folks.

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cjhoffmn posted 38 weeks ago.

I've been really intrigued by Cfit. I did p90x over the winter and definitely feel better as i'm starting my base training. I've added a lot of noticable functional strength and i think Cfit brings a lot of the same. I look forward to hearing how it goes.

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noahwvu88 posted 38 weeks ago.

there was an article in Outside magazine a month or 2 ago about crossfit and a hybrid called gym jones (http://www.gymjones.com/). Both sound great if you have the time/energy. I believe that gym jones is expensive and crossfit is the perfect price - free.

article on gym jones from Outsides website
http://outside1.away.com/outside/bodywork/200811/hell-on-earth-fitness-
plan-1.html

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CGroth posted 38 weeks ago.

i have been doing select crossfit workouts, as i check the workout of the day pretty regularly and will work the ones that i can do into my training schedule. if you have never done any of the olympic power lifts (cleans, jerks, etc) i would beg you to take a course because you can really hurt yourself very easily if you do not have the right technique. anyway, crossfit really kicks your butt in a short amount of time. it is a pretty fun way to throw some cross training in during the winter months if you have the resources. they have a very good group of video examples of their workouts because some of them have funky names that i had never heard of.

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rhane posted 38 weeks ago.

Yeah, Gym Jones is what the actors and stuntmen for "300" did. Running with tractor tires attached at the waist, hurling kettle bells all over, push and pullups on gymnastic equipment...

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dr_rios_ec posted 38 weeks ago.

Everyday there are more endurance oriented sport enthusiasts getting interested in Crossfit.
Nowadays the whole thing has became very popular all over the country, particulary after those dudes from Gym Jones literally transformed the actors for 300.
I was reading the resume of the founder and he is one tough endurance athlete, you name it, ultrarunning, bicycling and so on.
I was checking the site of Crossfit Endurance, and they are all oriented towards running and such, with postural routines, technique, and so on. There are plenty of ultra runners and triathletes that are incorporating this type of training in to their workout schedules and programs.
This is still to be seen. People say that with crossfit they are better conditioned, more fit physically and mentally. I still think that no tri pro will try to do this stuff, but again results are yet to be seen.
MMA profesionals are the ones that used as the back bone of their physical conditioning this crossfit stuff.
I think that for the recreational oriented tri enthusiast this will refresh and revigorate the sometimes dull routine programs that are more "classic"
I do not think that crossfit will be better than long training runs, long bike rides or swimming drills, but I do think they can coexist.
For some even more purist of the sport of triathlon, I think the mere idea of this new trend will be like doing speed work with headphones and music, because music will not allow them to concentrate.
A few months back there was an interesting argument about crossfit and the other more classic ways to streght train. Very interesting and passioned from some trifuelers defending each side of the argument.
The most feared thing about crossfit...the potencial injuries with those crazy olympic lifts or fliping huge truck tires, and also the attitude, the sort of agresiveness, that comes with the territory.
So to satisfy my own personal curiosity I went to a local crossfit facility here in town, and the owners and coaches agreed to talk to me about their injury rate.
First, interesting enough, the owner/head coach is an adventure racer/ultrarunner, he looks wayyy far different than a Spartan, pretty skinny guy, but with an aerobic and anaerobic conditioning of elite level. The way to avoid injuries at their "box" is by providing safe and detailed training in technique and form to all of their students, and a systematic way to increase the weight loads and difficulty level of the WOD as they call their routines and drills. I noticed lots of regular people, soccer moms, IT geeky guys, overweight individuals, triathletes and runners, even one from my running club. I did not see any spartan looking creature.
The usual injuries are more like in the neighborhood of blistered hands, peeled fingers and such. But for example back injuries, there are zero casualties. Interesting and reasuring I found this.
Personally I do some of the bench mark WODs and I like them, I try to be very careful on the form and weight loads are light, but I have so much fun with them and I feel good afterwards.
I remember someone told me that I was on my way to get injured, so far...so good.

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Ironmom posted 38 weeks ago.

Dr Rios, thanks for the in-depth look at it. I did my first Crossfit workout today and I have to say I was impressed by the level of technique instruction and constant monitoring for good technique. We started off with a warmup, then had some technique instruction on the clean and jerk, just using a piece of PVC pipe.
Then we did some standing floor jumps, measuring how high we could jump. I can still jump a foot and a half into the air, not too bad. Before long-distance endurance training and 20-some odd years ago, I had a helluva vertical leap so I think I could improve on my vertical leap again with some practice and strength/power work.
We progressed onto using a medicine ball and the WOD was 21 medicine ball cleans then 21 pullups, repeated 3 times. For me, I used the assistance of a big rubber bandy thing to do pullups which was great because for the first time I could get the feel of the total pullup movement, since I've never ever been able to do even one pullup. I made it almost through two repeats, having to stop in the 2nd set of pullups after 16. Still, that's 37 more pullups than I've ever done!

It was a very positive experience with the other people there all encouraging each other and me. I really liked it. I can tell I'll be sore tomorrow but thankfully I stopped before I really wrecked myself. The coach was adamant in an email I received last night to take it easy enough not to hurt, saying

Like I said before, we want to take a couple weeks and ease ourselves into the movements. If you throw yourself 100% at these workouts it will result in devestating failure.

So I felt like he understood very well how to go about this in a way that was safe, with good technique, yet challenging. All positive so far!

I'm not doing any Crossfit for the next week though because I realized today that I have my brown belt test in karate next Friday night and I don't want my quads quivering while I try to hold some deep stance with the black belts scrutinizing me. I don't want to be sore at all for that. After that, I plan on trying to go 2 - 3x a week to the Crossfit classes.

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beads1985 posted 38 weeks ago.

I sounds like if you have correct instruction it could be an cool alternative to regular weight training.

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dr_rios_ec posted 38 weeks ago.

That is one of the key elements of this type of training, the coaches are really in to teaching the best technique to protect your body for every excercise.
Another thing that I liked and Ironmom mentioned, is the constant cheering and encourage from the rest of your class, become sort of a tribal, or team thing, ritualistic, if you add the music and one or two coaches monitoring closely your movements, among the participants; another reason why this type of training becomes sort of adictive to most of the people.

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charlie6460 posted 2 weeks ago.

Well I guess I am bringing back an old thread. I started Crossfit a few weeks ago at a local Crossfit gym. I love it. In the class I attend you must master any movement that requires a barbell with PVC pipe first. This may sound easy, but most of the barbell movements (e.g. clean jerk) are easier to do with weight as you naturally tend to put your body in a position to best support the weight. This attention to detail is their best form of injury prevention as concerns were voiced earlier in this thread. This method is a lso very succesful for injury prevention. The CF community is like the tri comunity in that everyone is very supportive and it takes a certain type to enjoy this sorta training. I strongly recomend it to everyone. It will kick your ass and leave you begging for mecry all in less than 20 minutes.

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CreamedCorn posted 2 weeks ago.

Ironmom, how has it gone? Can you bust out tons of pullups now? A trainer at my gym is qualified as an instructor and I was thinking about getting into it now that the cold has come. We've heard the praise, now let's hear the results.

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