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Hi All,

I'm in the early stages of training for my first Ironman (IM Louisville in Aug 30 2009) and had a question about planning early season races.

I was considering doing two half IM races, one sometime in early/mid June and another Aug 1st (Steelhead 70.3). Given that Steelhead is a mere 4 weeks before the IM, I was planning to use it more as a BT "workout" than a race, rehearsing my IM pace, nutrition, etc.

The question is, can I treat the June Half as a B priority race, actually pushing to beat my time from last year (5:55 -- my first 70.3)? Is doing two half IMs too aggressive in the first place, and if so, is there one I should focus on? And lastly, what are everyone's thoughts on doing 1 or 2 OLY races, just for fun, or should I be focusing on longer, endurance building workouts.

FYI, I'm 23, this is my 3rd season of triathlon, cycling is my limiter.

Thanks!

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kylie posted 39 weeks ago.

There are some problems with using a half IM as or in IM prep. It is really not very similiar to an IM race in terms of pacing and nutrition. Something could be fine for that, and still explode on you in an IM. Most IM plans also have long rides on the weekend, and that half IM just won't get you the same results (especially if cycling is your limiter). Also, a half IM still takes recovery, and a month from an IM you don't really have a couple days to wait and then get back into your plan.

That said, if you are all about the experience of racing, and having fun, by all means, go for it. If you are trying to do your best at the IM, and want to really optimize your performance there, a half IM (especially the one four weeks out) really won't help you and instead might actually hurt your IM prep.

Personally, I might do the one that is in June (if it is early June), but pass on the August one.

As for the oly races, they are for fun and go for it -- as long as they don't make you miss other IM workouts. Maybe you'll have to bike home from one, or get a long ride in right after it. But if your focus is being your best at the IM, you should try not to make choices that result in interruption in your training plan.

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TriSooner posted 39 weeks ago.

kylie wrote:
There are some problems with using a half IM as or in IM prep. It is really not very similiar to an IM race in terms of pacing and nutrition. Something could be fine for that, and still explode on you in an IM. Most IM plans also have long rides on the weekend, and that half IM just won't get you the same results (especially if cycling is your limiter). Also, a half IM still takes recovery, and a month from an IM you don't really have a couple days to wait and then get back into your plan.

Now you have two people saying "No," but get ready for the "Sure, go for it!" peanut gallery . . . This timing issue comes up a lot. Being a three-time Ironman finisher, I understand why you would want to be 100% sure you are ready and it seems logical to think that 70.3, even a few of them, will ensure your success at 140.6. It won't. In fact, I argue that your timing for your 70.3s will sabotage your 140.6. That is especially the case with Steelhead a month out.

Here's why: You don't need a single 70.3 to ensure you will do well at 140.6. They are completely different races. No one would take your 5:55 and turn that into 11:50 at Canada. You want to work on pace and nutrition? That's what training is for. Races (of any distance) are not for practice; they are for racing. If you've done 13.1 and 26.2, you can attest to the idea that training for and racing a half is way different than a full 26.2. (BTW, training for and finishing a Spring marathon will serve you better than any 70.3). At the end of your 140.6 training program, you need to have gotten in all (or most) of the training necessary for an Ironman, and that does not include a bunch of races. Put differently, 70.3s get in the way. It's that simple.

Olys are fine, like in March and April. By May, you should be 100% into an IM plan. Most training programs eschew the 70.3 unless it is ~ 2 months out. Why? It all boils down to taper and recovery. You said you will race your 70.3, hence you will lose a week of Ironman training to taper for a 70.3, and you will probably lose a week of training for Ironman to recover from a 70.3. Do you see the pattern here? Essentially you are farting around with a 70.3 and foresaking the IM training to assuage your concerns. Which is more imporant? Going sub 6:00 again at 70.3 (they don't say, "JWS, you are halfway an Ironman" and no one - I hope - gets 70.3 ink) or hearing, "JWS, You. Are. An. Ironman." (Spoiler alert: You won't hear it anyway, but it's there, floating in the ether, and can never be taken back.) You will build more confidence and ability by doing your Ironman training.

So let's say you do Steelhead, here's what will happen: You taper a little bit the week before (-1 week), you'll recover for a few days and then have sub-par training that weekend (-1 week), you'll have only one long week of dedicated IM training, then you'll start a two-week taper (-2 weeks). So there, you've managed to negate two of the last three weeks of actual training (taper not included).

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kylie posted 39 weeks ago.

TriSooner wrote:
Now you have two people saying "No," but get ready for the "Sure, go for it!" peanut gallery . . .

Really, I think both answers have their place. It depends what your goals are. Do you want to experience the IM, and just finish one? And do you just love racing and want to go out and do the halves as well (also not at your best there since your training will be for IM)? Sure, do both halves. But if you are looking for your best performance at the IM then the halves don't fit. It is just a decision that the original poster needs to know his answer to ahead of time.

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jsk85 posted 39 weeks ago.

kylie wrote:

Really, I think both answers have their place. It depends what your goals are. Do you want to experience the IM, and just finish one? And do you just love racing and want to go out and do the halves as well (also not at your best there since your training will be for IM)? Sure, do both halves. But if you are looking for your best performance at the IM then the halves don't fit. It is just a decision that the original poster needs to know his answer to ahead of time.

+1...it depends on your approach...if your going more for the accomplishment and experience, and to enjoy the tris...race them all...including the Oly's
But, if you're going for maximizing your potential and really racing the event...focus on the IM

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Anton posted 39 weeks ago.

Make it three. I've done it both ways and had a much better IM without the HIM hoo-ha before it.
There is only one way to know if your nutrition is right for a 6 hour bike ride followed by a run of some distance...you have to do it in training. Sure you get racing experience and learn how to deal with your transitions and what not...but the distances really are vastly different.
I advocate now a warm up "C" or "B" IM before your target IM. That being way too expensive,( for me anyway) several long training days replace it instead. All the training time you need with the distance to see just how good your nutrition is.

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jws posted 39 weeks ago.

Hi kylie and TriSooner,

I really appreciate both of your comments--sounds like you're both on the same page. I think you've both convinced me enough NOT to do Steelhead a mere 4 weeks out, but I'm still toying with the idea of doing a half in early/mid June.

Kylie, to answer your question, I really want to maximize my chance for success in Louisville. I don't have any sort of time goal in mind at this point--just want to finish--but the faster the better. If past experience is any guide, I'm likely to take my first stab at the distance very conservatively pacing-wise (e.g. my first marathon was a 4:50, my second less than a year later--this Jan--was 3:50; and when I ran the 5:55 70.3, I had a fair bit of gas left in the tank).

So with that in mind, does the extra bit of race experience and the chance to really gauge my progress at a local half IM in June really not fit? And for it to be a worthwhile experience, would I want to really race it (say, shooting for 5:40ish) or just use it more as a walk-through?

Thanks again. You two are AWESOME! Just talking to the two of you is getting me pumped.

J

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kylie posted 39 weeks ago.

You really won't be judging IM fitness when you do a half IM, as they are really different races. I'm not sure what experience you'll gain that will really be worth it. You should be able to tell from your training where you are at.

That said, having nothing but an Aug IM can be hard to look at if it is racing that excites you -- so it might help your motivation and training interest to have that June half.

As for how hard to do it, it would depend on how you recover. Some people can go at their half IM race effort and be back out in a couple days. Other people need longer. Like we have said, it is about not missing tons of key workouts for the IM. So you'll have to judge with how you have felt after other races to know what would be right for you. It is tough, but there are many things in this sport that are individual and are just a matter of reading your own body and limits. And it can be hard to read and project that to future events! :)

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Ironmom posted 39 weeks ago.

I would agree with the above. I would definitely not in any way plan to do a HIM a month out from IM. That's sure to be a bad idea from any perspective - you can't really race it that close to an IM and hope to recover in time, and it sabotages your IM training.

I agree on the earlier HIM, you really have to come down on one side of the equation or the other. Either you want to do the HIM and race it and make a good time, but know that compromises your eventual IM time in some way, or you completely train through the HIM and focus on your IM as the most important race for you this year. In the 2nd scenario, for reasons outlined above, you're really better off not doing the HIM, unless (and this is a big unless) it keeps up your morale and your enthusiasm going through your IM season.

Personally, although I normally race a HIM per season, I did not do a HIM the year I did my IM. I did Olys earlier in the season just for fun, but that was before I entered the last 16 weeks of IM training. IM training is a different animal from every other triathlon training, and I personally think you're better off putting your focus there if you can. The payoff in a well-prepared and well trained for IM will be worth it. Remember that a lot of people have death-march IM experiences, and others complete their IM feeling strong and prepared. Personally, the IM is such a long race that I'd really rather fall in the latter camp, and if you want to do that, you have to train specifically for the IM.

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zagfan posted 39 weeks ago.

I agree with not trying a 70.3 four weeks before your IM. I am in the same boat with a scheduled 70.3 the second week of June (Boise) with an end of August IM (Canada). I have reasons for doing the 70.3 and I built it into my training plan last fall. My personal planning ideas were:

1. Boise 70.3 was my first and to this point only triathlon and I want a better time now that I can actually swim and have more experience on the bike.
2. I'm from the Boise area so its like having a hometown crowd for me and it doubles as a trip home to see my family.
3. I had to drop out of my other 70.3 race last year due to injury and there is no way I want to go over a year without a race under my belt.
4. I started my training plan 4 weeks early to allow for my 70.3 as well as any other business/family related emergencies.
5. Boise 70.3 is timed right at the beginning of the "Competetive Season" in the 36 week IM plan I'm using, which is when the "Saturday Triples" start and the 70.3 distance is pretty close to the training plan (longer run).

Now, I don't plan on racing after Boise until I get up to Canada. I may throw an early spring Oly in there just to get my feet wet. For me, racing Boise is more about the mental aspect than it is about any training benefit. If I can go up to Boise at the beginning of summer and show a big improvement over last year, that will give me some great motivation going into the "Competitive Season" portion of the training plan when the distance starts cranking up.

Just my .02 cents on what planning I went through when I decided to throw a 70.3 in at the beginning of the summer. It could turn out to be a great decision or a bad one, but it allows me to put a closer target on the schedule and allows my family to see my training progress before coming up to Canada (my parents love being involved with my tris).

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