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started by TIM G on March 20, 2005

I have worked really hard this winter to stay in shape for the upcoming season. About 4 weeks ago I started experiencing knee pain on the outside part of my left knee. I took one week off running to try and recover. The pain was still there after only running a few 100 yards. I took another week off and the pain was worse after running a short distance.

To make this short, I ran this morning after taking another week off and after a short distance my left knee was absolutly killing me. I managed to run 3 miles out and had to walk the 3 miles back home with the most pain I have ever had.

I looked my problem up online and it appears I have a condition called lliotibial band syndrome. I don't have much pain now, but I do when I run. I am sooooo depressed because I feel like my upcoming season is over. I am in such great shape, but now I know I can't run for awhile.

Ok, from other runners experinece, what should I do? I thought I could run through this pain....only to find myself walking home today, so this is not on option. Is my season done? I have a 1/2 marathon in about 50 days....can I heal in enough time to run this? I want to do my first 1/2 IM in July....is this acheivable with my knee problems?

I'm sorry, I am just really really depressed. I just can't imagine NOT running for who knows how long.

This pain only hurts when I run, and goes away after a day or two of rest. So it seems like not a serious injury, but todays run about killed me.

Any positive suggestions or help from runners who's been there done that? .

Thanks for any help, and yes, I read the thread on RICE. It's just todays run I thought I could tough it out....not today or anytime soon with the pain I had.

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vanjames posted 3 years ago.

Are you stretching the ITB and hip flexors after each run? Are you increasing your mileage more than normal ( ie (>10% per week?) Are yu running up hills frequently??

These are some of the contributing factors, when I had it I took a full week off at the recommendation of my physio then when i got back to it , I stretched throughly after each run, particulary the ITB and hip flexors, ran on flat ground and held back on increasing the mileage for another two weeks.

You can keep your cardio and fitness level up by swimming and biking (if the biking doesn't inflame your ITB).

Also check with a physiotherapist/sports medecine to verify the condition first.

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christri25 posted 3 years ago.

get to a really good massage threapist ... plus read this :
http://www.physsportsmed.com/issues/2000/02_00/fredericson.htm

Chris

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catwood posted 3 years ago.

get a foam roller and roll out your itb's all the time (and the rest of your legs while you're at it)... it can hurt pretty bad while they're really tight, but it can really help.

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christri25 posted 3 years ago.

cat, what do you mean ? like a rolling pin ?

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catwood posted 3 years ago.

like these: http://www.bodytrends.com/products/therapy/foamroller.htm
the full round 36'' ones are what is in the trainers office at school...
you put your body weight on it and prop yourself up with your arms and scoot back and forth on the muscle/tendon you're trying to loosen up...

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christri25 posted 3 years ago.

aghh, thanks ! it was also pictured in the link i posted i just missed it ... i am going to get one.

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ChuckyFinster posted 3 years ago.

I haven't seen it stated before, but here is stating the obvious: go to a doctor. Make sure you have what you think you have. It would be a shame to be trying to heal an injury that was improperly diagnosed.

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TIM G posted 3 years ago.

I'm going to go to my doctor. He is good friend of mine and a runner. But after reading more info from this tread, I am positive I have ITBS.

Here I am up at 3:00 am because I can't sleep worrying about the upcoming season. I have my 1st tri in 4 weeks (inside swim, then bike and run outside) that I doubt I can do. And all the other events I have all planned out.

I am just being negative right now I know, I don't even want to go to work because it's seems like what's the point. I know I just need to get on a plan to heal this injury and start over. By most of what I read and as much as my knee hurts when I ran. It's looks like I may be down for 6 weeks before I could expect full recovery and running back to normal.

I really don't know what caused this. I didn't increase my milage but I did increase intensity. I will admit that I knew nothing about stretching the IT band area. The only thing different I did was about the same time my knee started hurting is when I started see a chiroprator for my back. He thinks his adjustments could have led to my knee pain. Well, my back is better, but now I can't run because of my knee.

Oh well, thanks for the info. Any more thoughts or suggestions would be great, especially from someone who has had this and recovered....I guess I want to hear a success story.

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Amy Lee posted 3 years ago.

hey tim,

glad you are going to go to your doctor. you said he is your friend. that's good. is he a sports medicine orthopedic surgeon? very important you go to someone who understands the physical as well as "mental" pain you are going through as an athlete. get yourself to a good sportsmedicine physical therapist or athletic trainer afterwards. make sure they specialize in running injuries. it's so important!!!

i just recently (mid january) was diagnosed with tendonitis and IT band syndrome. it took about 6 weeks of PT (twice a week) and dilligent stretching and strengthening on my own for my injuries to subside. ( i had much more than IT band though.)

i stopped running completely for about 2 weeks. ( maybe it was 10 days). then, i couldn't take it anymore. you know what its like...that nagging voice in the back of your brain that says i gotta run, i gotta run... so slowly and carefully i started back on the treadmill. first a mile. then two, then three. always in the pain free range. the moment i felt any discomfort i got off the treadmill and went to the bike, even yoga ( that's a real stretch for me!) :D

happy to say IT band problem is completely gone. all i needed was a heel lift in the opposite shoe, good arch supports, a good pair of new running shoes which provided stability and extra cushioning, lots of stretching (hip flexors, hams, quads, calves, it band, etc.) and strengthing ( gluteus medias, and ab/adducters particularily) and some deep tissue massage. oh yeah, and ice therapy-real important. you can buy those extra large soft ice packs for home use from your physical therapist. ($20-25).

i have a half marathon coming up in 20 days. everything looks cool so far. i have been able to get up to ten miles without feeling any of those injuries haunting me. the most important things i have learned in my old age and 25 years plus of running is... listen to your body, stretch, stretch, stretch and see a specialist!!!!

good luck, keep us posted on your recovery. happy training-it isn't over-it's just beginning. :)

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TIM G posted 3 years ago.

Actually I found out today my friend doctor is on vacation so I got an appointment with a knee specialist tommorrow. Problem is, I just started a new job and I don't have insurance, and I have an ex that took me to the cleaners. I am going to go tommorrow to confirm what I already know and ask for suggestions for recovery on my own....that's all I can do right now. That's why I need other runners help with this that have experienced this and recovered....please....thanks!

I am really depressed right now. I just want to simply run...I'm not asking to be rich, or famous, drop dead good looking and so on....I just want to run and compete in triathlons I have looked forward to for months.

I can still swim, cycle I thnk (but I don't want to aggravate the ITBS though) to keep my endurance. I hope I could possibly start running a little after a few weeks off and still do my tri's this summer.

You know what's really bad??? I wanted to run after work tonight because the weather was nice. That's what is REALLY going to suck....I ran all winter in bitter cold temps, freezing rain, bone chilling winds....now the weather is getting nice and I can't

Sorry for being soooo negative. Hopefully this is not as bad as I think, huh???

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trianimal posted 3 years ago.

slowly taper, then quit running for 3 months. When you feel like it, try it again. If not, theres always fishing!

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Amy Lee posted 3 years ago.

hey tim,
good luck today! hope it goes better than you expect. sorry to hear about your whole insurance/ex wife/ financial difficulties. what a bummer. looking back on all my PT experience for the IT band friction syndrome, i really only spent 5-10 minutes out of a 90 minute session with my therapist .most of the time, i was off on my own dilligently doing the stretching and strengthening routine they set up for me. so maybe if you could afford one session for an eval and one session to learn all the appropriate stretches- you could then do it on your own? All my thearpist did was a little deep tissue massage (which you could very well do with that rolling pin) and apply ice therapy 10 minutes per session. you might need a heel lift in the opposite shoe as i mentioned in my last reply. gosh, i hope you don't get too down in the dumps. i feel so bad for you. it is sooooo painful! it can and will get better if you treat it correctly.
good luck!

amy

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christri25 posted 3 years ago.

tim i would say hit a good massage thearpist if it is your IT band all you need to do is stretch and you'll be good to go in about 3-4 weeks. trust me !

Chris

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christri25 posted 3 years ago.

amy right on.

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Amy Lee posted 3 years ago.

Yeah Christri,
massage therapy is a great idea. :D it'll be painfull as hell-but worth it :eek: . i was screaming "bloody murder" when the therapists first worked on my legs! it definitely made a big difference! but overall, that consistant slow passive stretching everyday is what really turned my situation around and keeps me injury free now.

STRETCH, STRETCH, STRETCH!!!!

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DSmith posted 3 years ago.

Here is an email on stretching from one of my running coaches. Take it for what its worth.

For the past few years there has been a debate about the merits of static stretching.* Until recently, there were very few studies conducted.* Most of the detailed information comes from the U.S. Army.* An organization with a keen interest in keeping their recruits healthy.* Briefly, the studies conclude that the best warm-up for any activity is to*begin the activity slowly.* If you are getting ready to run a race or do a track workout, jog easily for 5-15 minutes.* When you do your daily run, start easily and build up to the pace you want to run.* No amount of stretching will*replace a good warm-up jog.* There is no conclusive proof that stretching after a run prevents injuries or hastens recovery.**It appears that post run stretching*gives some people a sense of well being.* Nothing wrong with that, but it shouldn't take the place of a easy post workout jog.* If you finish your workouts with a sprint or hard effort, take a cool down lap.* Otherwise, just jog the last half mile of your run more slowly than the rest.* What does all of this mean?* It appears that stretching has no particular beneficial effect in preventing injury.* It does, however, seem to have some benefit in rehabilitation from an injury.* No matter what your preference, find what works for you.* Don't assume you should stretch just because that's what runners seem to do.* Experiment until you find what's right.

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caroline24 posted 3 years ago.

I was out 3 seasons of college running with ITB syndrome. Its a great opportunity for you to start SWIMMING a lot. Seriously. I understand how hard it is after all the hard work. The best rehab I did for it though (and still do for when I suffer from pain) is to swim. You stay in shape, it doesn't aggravate the injury and it trains you for one leg of your race.

Really take it slow coming back to running, I've made the mistake of coming back too fast way too many times. Its worth the extra time off to make sure the injury is healed.

I'm so sorry. I understand your pain -- both the physical and mental. Good luck with it. Treat it right and you'll be out there soon enough!

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mooncelt posted 3 years ago.

USA Triathlon's Mike Greer put together a great program for the "running challenged" athletes - the Aquabike series. You swim and bike, and you're done. Check out the USAT website for events near you to keep you in the game while you recover from your ITBS! :p

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NYCTriGal posted 3 years ago.

I don't have any practical medical advice to give. But it sounds like you're dealing with 2 issues: the physical injury and the emotions related to it.

A year ago last November I finally had surgery for a neuroma in my right foot. I actually stopped running for 7 months. It was so depressing to me because being a runner had become part of my identity. But the upside was that I took up biking to get around (it didn't hurt my foot) and swimming. It brought me to triathlon and I completed my first 2 last year.

What I learned is that I want to be active for life. I know how bad it sucks to be all trained for a race and get injured. But you don't want to injure yourself further. Just think of how many years of tri's you have ahead of you. I know it's hard to keep it in perspective now. But maybe this is the time you concentrate more on your swimming (if you can) or your biking (if you can) or working on your core which helps with all activities. And the time to concentrate on healing yourself so that you'll be able to do all those races in the future.

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ironjim posted 3 years ago.

If massage hasn't helped it is possible that your fibula is out and needs to be adjusted. Call a good sports chiropractor. Easy and painless.

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TIM G posted 3 years ago.

I did go to a knee specialist and he confirmed what I suspected. He was impressed by my knowledge of my injury. When I got to the clinic they wanted to do a MRI and I said no, I just want to talk to the doctor. The doctor laughed with me when he heard about this.

The doc moved my knee around a little then pushed on a specific spot and said does this hurt. I said yes and he said you do have ITB syndrome. He gave me options as to how to save this season and I choose an injection and a serious game plan on stretching and moderate running for a while.

The doctor said he has had the same injury before and that he is "fairly confident" that I will be fine if I don't push it. He asked how far I normally run and I said between 6 and 12 miles. He said cut that down to 3 miles to start then build on that.....sounded good to me.

I took a couple of days off completly and then rode my bike on my rollers tonight for an hour and felt great. I have to admit that I am scared of that first run since my injection. But I have put together a good stretching plan that I do 2 or 3 times a day now (I really didn't know about this ITB thing before now) My first run will be at a track and I will stop if I feel pain in that area...I will probally have this run Sunday.

I asked the doctor if I could do a sprint tri in a few weeks and he said yes. Then I asked if I could run a 1/2 marathon May 7th....he said he didn't know.

Thanks to ALL who gave their advise and VERY helpful thoughts from their own experiences.....except for the dude who said to take up fishing, lol.

I'll let you know how my 1st SHORT run goes.

Tim

PS: Doc and nurse thought I was nuts when I said the needle in the knee felt good.....some of you will understand this.

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Tribro posted 3 years ago.

Glad to hear your spirits are up and that the prognosis looks positive. As someone mentioned just keep in mind this is a lifestyle (emphasis on life) so a season of taking it lightly is nothing compared to the 30-40 years of endurance you have ahead of you. :)

Keep us posted...

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TIM G posted 3 years ago.

Hard to believe how important this seems, but life is more than this....nah, it's that important. I will be careful Tribro, ok.

I'm going to sleep in a Holiday Inn Express Sat night....think that will make a difference,lol?

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christri25 posted 3 years ago.

tim stay off the track part and run on a soft surface, unless the track is rubberizied.

Chris

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TIM G posted 3 years ago.

Yeah I know. The track is rubberized and I won't get caught miles out if I do have pain.

Thanks Chris!

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christri25 posted 3 years ago.

your going to be good, just keep the swim up and check out the site i sent to you in a couple post ago ... you can rehab this if you catch it quick enough. everyone had good ideas as well. except for the post that said stretching was not a benefit ! lol

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Amy Lee posted 3 years ago.

hey tim,
so glad it went well with the doc. i was so worried about you. you seemed so down a couple of days ago. things are looking better already, eh? now, just keep up those stretching exercises and lay low on the running. ( it's hard but worth it!) you caught your injury early, so your rehab should go smoothly. are you going to apply any ice therapy? my therapist always made me lie down for ten minutes after all the stretches were done with that cold compress on my it band. it definitely helped!

happy rehab!

amy