Will Our Fire Go Out?
wow...i let the general "healthy lifestyle" fire go out back in '04-'05. It burns inside me now more than ever. every time i get under the bar, lace up my cleats, get on my bike, get on the track, and even when i get in the dreaded pool...it adds fuel to the fire. every time i have a day where i eat a lil junk food and i feel like crap for the rest of the day, it adds fuel to the fire. this is one flame that'll burn with the passion of a million suns as long as I'm alive.
There are times when I don't get the butterflies before a race. But it often means that it's not a key race for me, or that I don't have a challenging goal for it. Other times it just means there is more going on in my life and the race just isn't such a priority. But other races.... oh yeah! Crazy butterflies :)
Oh, and at first, as I got confident in finishing the distances, and hadn't yet moved to other goals and targets for myself, it was harder to get that same crazy excitement, but sometimes easier to enjoy each moment.
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I think ultimately the answer is up to you.
Weary is the path that does not challenge.
Yes the novelty runs out. It is natural and it happens - you just process things without the trepidation of novelty. I used to be unable to sleep the night before a race. Now, I can sleep soundly. I couldn't eat. now I don't have a nervous stomach. I used to dry heave before a race, now I don't. I would overpack and have doubts about what equipment I would need. Now I know what to expect. I don't know that I would call that "letting the fire go out"... it's a bit like saying that a relationship's fire goes out after the first handful of dates. I think it matures and changes. I personally find that liberating because you have the lessons of experience to base goals and build upon and make changes that fit you.
Losing interest in a sport however, that's different, but it happens. I've tried sports that I later went on to abandon because I just didn't enjoy it that much. Tennis, golf, basketball, football... I never got the hang of those sports.
Everyone has their own attachment and feelings about things. Some people are more naturally emotional than others. I'm not that emotional but I do get anxious. I for one, am glad the anxiety portion of the novelty has worn off.
The fire for training may eventually go out one day but it may not. As I age I am losing interest in certain things. For example, I cannot watch basketball at all and I used to love it and I am starting to lose interest in pro football. I also lost the fire to practice for football in college. I loved the games but the time commitment and the injury risk started to weigh on my mind. When I started worrying about my knees instead of focusing on the game it was time to move on. I never lost the love for baseball practice or the games. I have been running marathons for 9 years and still get excited to train. It is getting more difficult and adjustments have to be made but I can't see hanging it up.
I don't see the fire to compete in triathlons diminishing at all. I thought I would be one and done with IM, but I really want to do another one. The thrill of waking up on race morning and getting in the water at the start would be hard to replicate. The feeling after finishing is addictive. The satisfaction of sitting down with a beer that night and thinking about what I just took part in is another great feeling. Hopefully the fire will continue to burn for the next few decades. My daughter and I are planning to run a marathon together when she finishes college. That is only 14 years from now.
"If we help someone else up a steep hill, we get nearer to the top ourselves." ~Unknown~
~Garen~
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gfd, that's an awesome goal- to run with your daughter. I started taking my kids to local 5k's and letting them do the kids' k, and I just can't wait to train with them to do the runs with them
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Great posts here guys !!
My son and I have done 5Ks & 10ks together and he got me into triathlons. I was his support at an event. Realizing I had always been as good a swimmer and a better runner than he , I thought "why not me." We have gone head to head a few times with mixed results but I think this intergenerational dimension has helped keep me stay young and the fire burning. Besides, it's been great fun.
Fire burn out? What is this of which you speak?
Not in my experience, at least. I started doing triathlons in 1986 at the age of 20. I have competed in tris every one of the 22 years since then (excepting the two summers I was pregnant with each of my kids) and I still love it, maybe even more than I did at the start. I still get nervous before each and every race, because I'm always hoping to do my best. I still get butterflies at the start, still cry when I hear the national anthem, still look at the sun coming up over the lake, river, or ocean with joy that I have the ability to be there doing this. When I look at my race photos, I'm always smiling.
Now I get to see my kids get excited about training and racing too. I get to bike with them or run with them or take them swimming and share the joys of these sports. That gets me even more fired up, for sure.
Still on fire!
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gfd, that's an awesome goal- to run with your daughter. I started taking my kids to local 5k's and letting them do the kids' k, and I just can't wait to train with them to do the runs with them
VERY cool!
The fire for training may eventually go out one day but it may not. As I age I am losing interest in certain things. For example, I cannot watch basketball at all and I used to love it and I am starting to lose interest in pro football. I also lost the fire to practice for football in college. I loved the games but the time commitment and the injury risk started to weigh on my mind. When I started worrying about my knees instead of focusing on the game it was time to move on. I never lost the love for baseball practice or the games. I have been running marathons for 9 years and still get excited to train. It is getting more difficult and adjustments have to be made but I can't see hanging it up.I don't see the fire to compete in triathlons diminishing at all. I thought I would be one and done with IM, but I really want to do another one. The thrill of waking up on race morning and getting in the water at the start would be hard to replicate. The feeling after finishing is addictive. The satisfaction of sitting down with a beer that night and thinking about what I just took part in is another great feeling. Hopefully the fire will continue to burn for the next few decades. My daughter and I are planning to run a marathon together when she finishes college. That is only 14 years from now.
I love taking my daughters to kids races. I am hoping the healthy lifestyle rubs off on them.
My first 5k I had butterflies, the same for my first marathon, first tri and first ironman, etc..
I still enjoy doing the events but things change after you accomplish a goal.
I won't get as worked up and anxious before an event since I know how to plan and I also know how to handle it when plans don't work.
'Nothing to it, but to do it!'
Fire going out? Hell, it's more fun now than it was in 1988! I'm still like a kid in the candy store, want to have it all and do every race on earth. Not only do I want to race but I want to train, be the Man, do things others can only dream or talk about. The 2009 schedule is set ending with IM #16 and contemplating where #17 will happen in 2010. Maybe two!
Fire going out? That's why there's Trifuel!
I haven't really been nervous before any race yet. I can always sleep. On race morning, I get all kinds of excited. Standing in the transition area, getting my gear together I can feel the adrenaline coming. Standing at the water's edge with the sun barely up, waiting for the horn... I love it. :-)
I've always been a fan of sunrise, though. It just makes me happy.
My last triathlon was in 1994. Since then, I have gotten into and out of shape a number of times with cycling being my most frequent activity. Much of that is because I have lived in places where it is very hot in the summer and not too much fun to run. I have, however, also had short lived periods where I was running pretty well. Swimming has been even more occaisional. So, for me, I guess you can say the fire went out a while back. Part of reason was because I got older and my priorities changed, but I also think another big part of the reason, at least for me, is that I achieved my ultimate goal of doing Hawaii back in 1991 and after that I have never had the same compulsion to challenge myself since I already knew I could do Hawaii. Of course, I always have wanted to improve my times in different kinds of races, including Hawaii, but those goals have never given me the burning desire like I originally had when I started in this sport. Now, for the first time in a long time, I want to do some races this year and I am having fun with the training.
-Tod
New flame for me so I hope not! I do get bored once I meet a goal unless I have another. Trick is to up the ante I believe.
Just keep spinning....spinning, spinning....uh, do I know you?
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New flame for me so I hope not! I do get bored once I meet a goal unless I have another. Trick is to up the ante I believe.
Just keep spinning....spinning, spinning....uh, do I know you?
The Losing Journey Flickr Cycling Log
I hope not. I have a 4 month old daughter. I want to still being doing this when she is a teenager so I can embarrass her in front of her friends when I am in a tri-suit.
I hope not. I have a 4 month old daughter. I want to still being doing this when she is a teenager so I can embarrass her in front of her friends when I am in a tri-suit.
My daughters who are almost 8 and 10 1/2 already roll their eyes at me when I am in my tri top and shorts.
However they think the fact I do the events are cool. ;-)
'Nothing to it, but to do it!'
We have a gas stove in the house. When I put the kettle on for tea, which I will do here about 4 o'clock, I turn the knob and the flame erupts and heats the water... If I crank it up I get hot water fast...if I leave it low, it takes longer, but I still get hot water.
Kylie hates it when I get all "...back in the Day" ;) but when I started running in 1970 I had a great flame...I wasn't very good (some would say I'm still not!) but I kept at it and I raced and ran big mileage weeks...I started biking not long after as a way to get to and from X-C practice because my folks wouldn't drive me. (single speed Schwinn) I was on a swim team in the summer and climbed rocks when I could.
I still have a flame for all those things (well...except swimming. I only do that because it gets me to the bike and run). When I was married the first time and we adopted a child the flame was on low but still there for some years. When that life ended, the flame became more intense again. My running and biking flame is on high right now and my climbing flame on low. (it's hard to find "Type B" climbing partners at my age.) Of course none of these flames burns as bright as the one I carry for my Mary Lou.
I think that's life. The flames we feed burn at different intensities at different times in life. High is good. but low is good too...just so long that the flame still burns.
"If e wishes to sweem in dangerous waters, oo are we to deny im?
-Chef Skinner
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I like your "back in the day"s, Anton. That was a great post....big "awwww" about your wife :)
Taper Naked
charlie6460 wrote:I hope not. I have a 4 month old daughter. I want to still being doing this when she is a teenager so I can embarrass her in front of her friends when I am in a tri-suit.My daughters who are almost 8 and 10 1/2 already roll their eyes at me when I am in my tri top and shorts.
However they think the fact I do the events are cool. ;-)
i just signed three of my kids up for a kid's tri in August. I think the perfect response to eye rolling is a race number! Get 'em while their young ; )
That which does not kill me makes me faster...
Anton no fair! I love back in the day stories :) But you forgot that you were biking through snow, uphill both ways ;)
And great flame analogy.
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beads1985 wrote:charlie6460 wrote:I hope not. I have a 4 month old daughter. I want to still being doing this when she is a teenager so I can embarrass her in front of her friends when I am in a tri-suit.My daughters who are almost 8 and 10 1/2 already roll their eyes at me when I am in my tri top and shorts.
However they think the fact I do the events are cool. ;-)
i just signed three of my kids up for a kid's tri in August. I think the perfect response to eye rolling is a race number! Get 'em while their young ; )
my boy did his first tri and cyclocross races last year at age 3...big smiles and satisfaction, although the best part of any races for him are shotbloks in transition...(he's got nutrition down!)
TonisTri wrote:beads1985 wrote:charlie6460 wrote:I hope not. I have a 4 month old daughter. I want to still being doing this when she is a teenager so I can embarrass her in front of her friends when I am in a tri-suit.My daughters who are almost 8 and 10 1/2 already roll their eyes at me when I am in my tri top and shorts.
However they think the fact I do the events are cool. ;-)
i just signed three of my kids up for a kid's tri in August. I think the perfect response to eye rolling is a race number! Get 'em while their young ; )
my boy did his first tri and cyclocross races last year at age 3...big smiles and satisfaction, although the best part of any races for him are shotbloks in transition...(he's got nutrition down!)
Mmmmm....shotbloks. I'd do a tri just for those too!
That which does not kill me makes me faster...
tri-ac wrote:my boy did his first tri and cyclocross races last year at age 3...big smiles and satisfaction, although the best part of any races for him are shotbloks in transition...(he's got nutrition down!)Mmmmm....shotbloks. I'd do a tri just for those too!
I would, too - except the pina colada flavor - ug! Then again I don't often like good pina coladas... ;)
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I would suppose we could say that we are not only doing this because it lights our fire but also it can spread the fire as well. In doing so, in keeping our fire going, we leave an imprint, our legacy to future generations and hand down some of the best of our own lives to those we love.
I always enjoy back in the day stories and Anton's are always worth it.
"If we help someone else up a steep hill, we get nearer to the top ourselves." ~Unknown~
~Garen~
http://baldhungariantriproject.blogspot.com/
We have a gas stove in the house. When I put the kettle on for tea, which I will do here about 4 o'clock, I turn the knob and the flame erupts and heats the water... If I crank it up I get hot water fast...if I leave it low, it takes longer, but I still get hot water.
Kylie hates it when I get all "...back in the Day" ;) but when I started running in 1970 I had a great flame...I wasn't very good (some would say I'm still not!) but I kept at it and I raced and ran big mileage weeks...I started biking not long after as a way to get to and from X-C practice because my folks wouldn't drive me. (single speed Schwinn) I was on a swim team in the summer and climbed rocks when I could.
I still have a flame for all those things (well...except swimming. I only do that because it gets me to the bike and run). When I was married the first time and we adopted a child the flame was on low but still there for some years. When that life ended, the flame became more intense again. My running and biking flame is on high right now and my climbing flame on low. (it's hard to find "Type B" climbing partners at my age.) Of course none of these flames burns as bright as the one I carry for my Mary Lou.
I think that's life. The flames we feed burn at different intensities at different times in life. High is good. but low is good too...just so long that the flame still burns.
Gets me all choked up, pretty soon I'll be doing the 'back in the day' stories ;-)
'Nothing to it, but to do it!'
You already do those..."Back when I was in the Marines" things! ;)
"If e wishes to sweem in dangerous waters, oo are we to deny im?
-Chef Skinner
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You already do those..."Back when I was in the Marines" things! ;)
See I am forgetting stuff too. I guess I qualify to tell more 'back in the day'
Hopefully I don't repeat myself, it is a family trait ;-)
'Nothing to it, but to do it!'
This is an interesting thread, seeing that three of my ultra buddies (guys who've run 10+ ultramarathons) are considering hanging up their running shoes due to ongoing injury.
My conclusion is this: If you decide to live a healthy lifestyle and incorporate endurance training and racing, and do them MODERATELY and SMARTLY with REASONABLE GOALS, then I think you can participate forever.
On the other hand, if you decide to start competing with other people and OVERTRAIN, HAMMER and OVERWHELM you body, your fire is certain to go out.
"I'm more fun than an iPod!"
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I agree with Anton.
Life and ambitions occur at different times and at different intensities.
If you've ever watched Emeril, he often says "You gotta use your knobs."
To steal Anton's flame analogy, some of us in life, just like cooking, crank the heat all the way up and speed cook everything. Sure, you get a grilled cheese sandwich at the end, but either the cheese is still cold in the middle or the bread is a cinder.
Most people that burn out, go too hard too fast, and too hard too long. It's inevitable. You only have so much fuel to burn and you choose how it's spent. You can go hard and fast or low and slow.
It all depends on how long you want to enjoy the journey.
Sure, going fast is awesome, but sometimes, "you gotta use your knobs."
“Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm.”
— Winston Churchill
I remember this mostly from Blade Runner-
'The Light That Burns Twice As Bright, Burns For Half As Long'
'Nothing to it, but to do it!'
Better to burn out, than to rust!
PoC
""Your ass looks fantastic. Are the kids in bed yet???"
- TonisTri. 10/2009

I remember this mostly from Blade Runner-'The Light That Burns Twice As Bright, Burns For Half As Long'
I don't buy that for an instant. I come from a long line of bright and long burners. My grandma was still playing piano at an old folks home when she was almost 90, and then driving home to her own house, stopping at the YMCA for her Tai Chi class on the way home. My mom at 67 just got my son into kayaking!
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beads1985 wrote:I remember this mostly from Blade Runner-'The Light That Burns Twice As Bright, Burns For Half As Long'
I don't buy that for an instant. I come from a long line of bright and long burners. My grandma was still playing piano at an old folks home when she was almost 90, and then driving home to her own house, stopping at the YMCA for her Tai Chi class on the way home. My mom at 67 just got my son into kayaking!
I was thinking more about endurance sports compared to speed sports.
'Nothing to it, but to do it!'
I was thinking more about endurance sports compared to speed sports.
I dunno, man, have you seen those old folks in Chinatown doing Tai Chi early in the morning? That's endurance right there (could just be that I have no patience to move that slow!)
I was thinking more about endurance sports compared to speed sports.
Eh, you can't do speed forever, except maybe in swimming. I know more than a few swimmers who are still setting (age group) records at short distances and training hard for sprints. I swim with a 65 year old who can go 1:09 in the 100 backstroke. My college swim coach was a National Masters age group champion at 65.
I've trained with some folks in martial arts that were in their 60s and 70s, and I wouldn't challenge their speed with a punch or kick either! That's brutal training as you age too. My knees/ankles/wrists are already killing me.
Blue Skies, -Robin-
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The fire doesn't have to go out unless you chose to give up and put it out. It may burn low embers at time, but the hot coals are there to ignite into flame with the right breath of air. Fire is ageless. Emerson wrote, "society everywhere is in conspiracy against the manhood of its members." I am 65 and have been told in many ways to pack up my gear, douse my fire and go take it easy. I have been told to act my age. But, as it has been said, "How old would you be if you didn't know how old you were?"
My wife still laughs at me this time of the year, getting excited over the year's schedule....She says every year, "You are such a child." What a great compliment; my fire is not hid "under a bushel but put on a candlestick on a hill" perhaps to inspire, ignite others.
As George Bernard Shaw wrote: "Life is no brief candle to me; it is a sort of splendid torch which I’ve got a hold of for the moment and I want to make it burn as brightly as possible before handing it on to future generations.”
Fairly new to all the training, but I think your own internal flame is what will drive you up or down. Everyone around you may fall but you may just keep plugging. I think keeping things fresh and interesting is the key. Having specific goals for each event that I do keeps me interested.
Just my thoughts.
I have only been training for triathlons for about 2 years but I hope to be doing them for the rest of my life so I am trying very hard to avoid burnout. I have some people frequently ask me when I am going to do an Ironman or a marathon. I usually tell them that I probably wont do one for at least 3 or 4 more years. A lot of people don't understand why I am not moving up in distance very fast. I don't really feel like explaining my reasoning so I don't. My basic plan is to stick with mostly Olympic and sprint distance at least until I am finished with college. Then move on to longer distance. I want to start seriously getting into Ironman in my late 20's because then I will have several years of experience before I reach my Ironman "prime". After that maybe move on to some ultra running and just do what ever distance triathlons that I want. All of this is tentative of course. Hopefully when I am 90 I will still be out doing triathlons and be the crazy old man that runs every morning.
" 'I hate this day, I hate mornings, I hate the weather' You bring yourself down and others down with you. That's not the way it should be." Jens Voigt in Overcoming
I have only been training for triathlons for about 2 years but I hope to be doing them for the rest of my life so I am trying very hard to avoid burnout. I have some people frequently ask me when I am going to do an Ironman or a marathon. I usually tell them that I probably wont do one for at least 3 or 4 more years. A lot of people don't understand why I am not moving up in distance very fast. I don't really feel like explaining my reasoning so I don't. My basic plan is to stick with mostly Olympic and sprint distance at least until I am finished with college. Then move on to longer distance. I want to start seriously getting into Ironman in my late 20's because then I will have several years of experience before I reach my Ironman "prime". After that maybe move on to some ultra running and just do what ever distance triathlons that I want. All of this is tentative of course. Hopefully when I am 90 I will still be out doing triathlons and be the crazy old man that runs every morning.
For what it is worth, you will probably have less time to train when you get out of college.























A friend of mine who has done a lot of long bike events (no tris) asked me if I still get excited about going to events and getting ready for them He asked do I have trouble sleeping the night before an event. I said yes, of course, and he said not for him anymore. He went on to say that when I get just a little bit older things will change. It won't matter that much or be that intense to me anymore. In other words, the fire will go out. What I didn't tell hm was that I was two years older than he. I guess I just started later at this than he did and can expect a meltdown any season now? I would also guess that not many of you have done the meltdown or you wouldn't be on a tri-forum or be reading this thread. But, who knows so let me ask: anyone out there about ready to let this fire go out?