Macca quitting at Kona
I guess he wants to have ability to use everything to his advantage, and not take the toll on his body using the extra energy to make use of his bike if he still has the run to do. While I'm sure it still would have been a tight race, the other guys are no joke, and if they are all competeing with working bikes, I'm not sure how the race would have turned out if he stayed on his broken bike and then did the run.
Would he have enough in him to win, etc? He is defiantly the top contender with Alexander, etc, so it's not about finishing, but finishing to regain the title, I assume.
it'll be interesting next year to see Andreas and Raelert in that mix, since they are both focusing on that race I've heard.
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Oh tough one! Its hard to say that he contemplated the option of adjusting the limiter screw. You would think sitting as an outside spectator that Chrissie would of known to not screw the CO2 into the inflator before she put it on the valve but she didnt. Wanting to repeat and being in 'great shape with no demons' as he said and knowing that waiting 30+ minutes is going to make it impossible would make you not want to press on. Norman gets two flats and quits, you know being the lead guy he wasnt waiting 30+ minutes for a spare. Flip side, Rutger walks the marathon because in his words, "you dont have the right to quit just because the day doesnt go your way." If he was already falling behind then it was just good fortune in his own mind that he had a perfect opportunity to bow out when he did. If he truly didnt want to try and fight for a top 100 or so then thats his deal too. Ill ask him if I get racked next to him during New Orleans in three months haha.
I'm not sure about heading back out there on one ring, but I think he should have gotten the bike fixed to finish the race. Even though he could not win, as returning champ (and ambassador for the sport?) he should have felt compelled to stay out there on the course for the fans and other competitors. I was impressed with Beke walking the marathon, rather than drop out, in '07. I thought that was pretty classy. Now, I do understand why many pros do drop out on an off day: they make (part of?) their living from winning races, and they ought to save their bodies to be able to compete again sooner. But this is Kona.
I wouldn't, however, go so far as to say Macca "used the mechanical failure as an excuse for his inevitable failure." It seems plausible that this might have been going on at least subconsciously, but we don't know what was going on in his head.
At least he didn't throw a hissy fit.
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(too easy, I know)
I saw an interview with him in an Australian paper recently. Apparently in assisting him, the on-course mechanics stripped the screws or something like that in an effort to get it onto the big ring permanently. He was going to continue in the big ring, but didn't have a choice except to DNF.
I'm more at a loss as to how the heck do you bust a cable?
He isn't riding some rusted out klunker with frayed cables.
I've never seen such a thing...
It's not unusual for any pro to call it a day if things aren't going their way. They only earn $$$ if they place high, so it makes sense from a business standpoint to save their bodies and thus earning potential for another race. In a way though, to an age-grouper it seems kind of unsportsmanlike to watch pros dropping out of races the minute something doesn't go their way. Look at any of the IM races and you'll see dropout rates for pros of 10 - 20% or sometimes even higher. Some Pros drop out even if they have a bad swim.
I did read though like Tamara said that Macca tried to carry on with the big ring but couldn't.
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I like to see a pro finish even on a rough day, like Rutger Beke.
I do understand if a pro doesn't finish in the top 10 - 15 it is a wash for them but I don't agree with them stopping.
We commoners do endurance races like the IM for the challenge and the ability to set a difficult long term goal and complete it.
The pro's enjoy some of that glory but they are doing it for the paycheck so they have differnt motivation.
'Nothing to it, but to do it!'
Pro's Don't just do it for the paycheck, I DISAGREE very strongly in that.
They are Pro's, and yes they do get paid on performance, but I doubt ANY of them said...
"I want to be a Pro Triathlete when I grow up for the money".
In all, its just what they get at the end of the day, and they should. It's a full time job, and when they aren't training 40+hrs a week, they are doing media, or sponsorship type tasks
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I saw an interview with him in an Australian paper recently. Apparently in assisting him, the on-course mechanics stripped the screws or something like that in an effort to get it onto the big ring permanently. He was going to continue in the big ring, but didn't have a choice except to DNF.
I saw this, too. A pro riding in small ring? Doing what? 20-22mph maybe? If I am in it for name and money, I'd rather save myself for later if the course mechanics took 10 minutes to break my bike even more.
Life is short. Play hard and get dirty doing it.
I disagree too...they do it for ego and a paycheck! ;)
Swim Bike Run for a living...do some coaching, give workshops...sounds like a sweet gig compared with some of the jobs we all have...and I bet they make more than a bunch of us.
Poses a good question though...What is the yearly take for a mid level pro triathlete?
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Poses a good question though...What is the yearly take for a mid level pro triathlete?
I think many do call it a day because they do have to race again and try to earn a paycheck. no podium, no money. My experience, most mid level only get product sponsorship and bonuses for results and prize money, so at an average of $5,000 (maybe $10K at some outside the US) for 1st place at most Ironman and 70.3 races that's a lot of racing to earn minimum wage. Most I know maybe earn $20-30K plus gear that they often have to return. It's not a luxury lifestyle for sure :)
Anton wrote:Poses a good question though...What is the yearly take for a mid level pro triathlete?I think many do call it a day because they do have to race again and try to earn a paycheck. no podium, no money. My experience, most mid level only get product sponsorship and bonuses for results and prize money, so at an average of $5,000 (maybe $10K at some outside the US) for 1st place at most Ironman and 70.3 races that's a lot of racing to earn minimum wage. Most I know maybe earn $20-30K plus gear that they often have to return. It's not a luxury lifestyle for sure :)
And quite frankly you could not even eat Top Ramen on that.
I do have mixed feelings on that though. It does seem a bit unsportsman like to just quit because you aren't having your best race. How do you KNOW the person in front of you won't take a header and put him/herself out of the race making you winner instead? Now if your bike is inoperable (sp) then I get that.
I was thinking about opening up this can of worms since I heard about what happened. Glad someone else did first! I rode for a summer once with no front derailleur on my mountain bike at all (both I and my derailleur were broke). Shifting with a finger is not ideal, but it's a pretty simple thing--esp. on a road bike where you're not bouncing over rocks. Front derailleurs can be bent wide open to allow movement even if the adjusters are broken. With that said....
Had I not met Macca floating around in the freezing water at Silverman (race start delayed due to lightning), I'd have made the mistake of second guessing a world champion. But I have honestly never met ANY triathlete who seemed happier to be competing. I mean, we were all a few degrees away from hypothermia and here he was laughing and joking and smiling like he was the luckiest bastard on earth. With THAT said....
I imagine a DNF due to a mechanical looks better than a 22nd place win with a broken part derailleur. Seems like a business decision to me, and if it was for him I'm sure it was a tough one, considering how much he obviously loves to race and compete.
Greatness is only achieved by those who perpetually raise the expectations of themselves to the point where it ruins their life.
..he should have felt compelled to stay out there on the course for the fans and other competitors. I was impressed with Beke walking the marathon, rather than drop out, in '07. I thought that was pretty classy.
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Beke has never won Kona, so I am thinking that having won it before changes your perspective about walking "just to finish."
I saw Zack do it and others, but I can't recall any Pro who has already won it once, "just finishing" for the helluvit on a subsequent occasion .
As to the point about "do it for the fans" Ironpros don't have a fan following like Kobe does or Brett Favre say, to whom they sell jerseys and other memorabilia, from which they scoop big bucks, so I don't imagine that is much of an incentive to finish in 898th place.
Now in 2007, Beke finished in 898 th place and drew inspiration from it to finish 3rd in 2008 so there was a point to that.
If I had won it last year, and had a mechanical incident this year, like a cable or a couple of flats, damned if I'd spend another 5 or 6 hours out there "just to finish." I already have a t-shirt.
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Tribro wrote:Anton wrote:Poses a good question though...What is the yearly take for a mid level pro triathlete?...Most I know maybe earn $20-30K plus gear that they often have to return. It's not a luxury lifestyle for sure :)
And quite frankly you could not even eat Top Ramen on that.
I for one would love to be making 20 to 30K, plus they give you free gear just so people see you use it? wow.
i can't be the only one here who makes only 15k/year, and me and my wife and my duaghter get by.
if you live in america and can't get by on 15k then there is something wrong, and at 30k then that should be "a luxury lifestyle for sure :)"
but we are spoiled to think we "need" all these things.
just my 2 cents.
oh and if you think that i need more money i'd be glad to tell you where to send it.
It's not unusual for any pro to call it a day if things aren't going their way. . . . Some Pros drop out even if they have a bad swim.
+1 I don't remember if it was a big-name ol' school IM guy (Mark Allen, Dave Scott), or and ol' school American marathon legend (Salazar, Rogers), but someone said that competing at that distance for "#1 OA" takes so much out of you that you really only have a few efforts (five or six?) like that in your lifetime. For example, after The Duel in the Sun between Salazar and Beardsley, neither runner was ever the same.
I happened to see a photo somewhere of the front chain ring and when the mechanic stripped the screw, the alignment wouldnt sit correctly beween the big and small ring. I think, and this is my opinion, that having the chain skip up then down would be pretty damn annoying. This is probably the case and he quit.
Couple points
1. To RV's question: I know a very good way to make a FD cable stop shifting, if not snap entirely. It happened to Mrs. PJT the day before IM Wisconsin last fall. If your FD cable housing is ever so slightly short, you can pop the plastic ferrule from the internal cable entry hole by turning the handlebars 90 degrees (like while transporting a bike). If you don't notice the ferrule sitting out of place (and who checks?), you can split the ferrule when you try to ride it next . This can create enough friction to make shifting difficult/impossible, and could cause the cable to snap if you keep trying to shift. Thankfully she noticed the problem about 10 minutes in to our 15 minute pre-race ride, and I had the spare parts on hand to fix it before bike check in.
2. I'm wondering why they didn't just take off the entire FD and mount the chain on the big ring by hand. That's about a 2-minute operation if you are using Shimano.
I hope they didn't give him a finisher's medal!
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Couple points1. To RV's question: I know a very good way to make a FD cable stop shifting, if not snap entirely. It happened to Mrs. PJT the day before IM Wisconsin last fall. If your FD cable housing is ever so slightly short, you can pop the plastic ferrule from the internal cable entry hole by turning the handlebars 90 degrees (like while transporting a bike). If you don't notice the ferrule sitting out of place (and who checks?), you can split the ferrule when you try to ride it next . This can create enough friction to make shifting difficult/impossible, and could cause the cable to snap if you keep trying to shift. Thankfully she noticed the problem about 10 minutes in to our 15 minute pre-race ride, and I had the spare parts on hand to fix it before bike check in.
2. I'm wondering why they didn't just take off the entire FD and mount the chain on the big ring by hand. That's about a 2-minute operation if you are using Shimano.
brittda wrote:Tribro wrote:Anton wrote:Poses a good question though...What is the yearly take for a mid level pro triathlete?...Most I know maybe earn $20-30K plus gear that they often have to return. It's not a luxury lifestyle for sure :)
And quite frankly you could not even eat Top Ramen on that.
I for one would love to be making 20 to 30K, plus they give you free gear just so people see you use it? wow.
i can't be the only one here who makes only 15k/year, and me and my wife and my duaghter get by.
if you live in america and can't get by on 15k then there is something wrong, and at 30k then that should be "a luxury lifestyle for sure :)"
but we are spoiled to think we "need" all these things.
just my 2 cents.
oh and if you think that i need more money i'd be glad to tell you where to send it.
I can't fathom how you could live on 15k with 2 kids and a spouse, no way in New jersey anyway ;-)
'Nothing to it, but to do it!'
I can't fathom how you could live on 15k with 2 kids and a spouse, no way in New jersey anyway ;-)
He won't have to pay taxes...
Here's my reasoning on why I posed the question on why Macca backed out, and why I think it was because he was having a relatively bad go of it up to that point and didn't want to sustain further embarassment. In the interview of him after backing out, he looked almost jovial, with a smile on his face. Not knowing anyting about his personality, I took this to be an expression of relief that he didn't need to continue sufferring. It could very well be that he's just a relaxed person who takes things in stride and doesn't worry too much about it (especially here since he'd already won Kona). If you contrast that to the emotions of Stadler in '05, you see a starkly different reaction to a mechanical failure. Norman had a mental breakdown on the course, actually showing some emotion and malcontent with having to pull out. That's how I would expect a champion, who's life revolves completely around one event, to react.
Regarding the top pros, most will make more from endorements than they do from race earnings. Macca has a pretty lucritive deal with UA that will stipulate he appear and compete at a number of events worldwide. The brands want the exposure, which is why they endorse athletes. Macca pulling out halfway, ensured UA had all of about 15 seconds on national TV, whereas Argon18 and Craft had a considerable showing with Sindballe, as did Dresdner Kleinwort with Stadler, Spiuk with Llanos and American Interbanc on Alexander. I would suspect any of these athletes earn more from endorsement deals than they would off prize money (Sindballe especially).
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just one kid. and the answer is we go without a lot of thing others "need."
we don't eat out, and walk or ride a lot of places, our kid is very entertaining.
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I know I'm chiming in here about 3 months late, but I just finally caught the NBC Kona coverage over the weekend on Universal Sports. So here's my question:
In the interview with Macca asking him what happened, he said he snapped his front deraileur cable, wasn't able to shift into the big ring, and the repair would take 30-40 min. While this is certainly true for replacing the cable, I'm pretty sure he could get back on the road, big ringing it within 30 sec. How? Simple - turn the lower limiting in until it shifts. Sure this prevents any shift into the small ring for climbing hills, but it would certainly give him a chance to stay out there and compete (albeit not in ideal conditions).
So why, with such a simple solution that I'm sure he would have thought about, would Macca just cash it in and walk off the course? Was it because he was already falling behind on the bike and knew he wouldn't win? Was he thinking about how bad his run would be after mashing up the few hills of the ride course? Can his ego not take a hit by losing the race outright after making bold claims that he would certainly repeat, thus he used the mechanical failure as an excuse for his inevitible failure?