Need help improving my cycling!
what distance are you focusing on?
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You are in the right direction.
Thing is, using a fluid trainer is only as beneficial as you push yourself. At those distances I'd just guess you want to log 110+ miles a week for early base weeks and then start increasing it. On the trainer it's going to feel like it's kicker your ass a little harder then the road, so that's normal.
The days you can get out, defiantly get out for longer rides. However, using a trainer inside can be very beneficial with short INTENSE workouts. Just put a lot of miles on, you will see improvements.
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+1 what kwschs said. Time in the saddle is what's important at this point in the year. Try to get in the 100-150/week consistently and you'll see a huge improvement when winter rolls around. To break up the monotony of the trainer mix it up a bit. My routine consists of 3 days of riding:
2 hrs ( single leg drill work, 2 min on each leg, 1 spin between legs, 2 on other leg then 10 min spin ) working through 6-7 sets
2 hrs (20 min warmup then 5min hard push with 5 min recover)
3 hrs outside or slow and steady on the trainer
Boring but effective.
Weary is the path that does not challenge.
Guys above are correct, this time of year the best thing to do is just put in the long hours. Start doing long rides, even if they are slow, and as the season starts to come up ramp up the speed.
If want to ride a 70.3 then you definately should start puttin in the time, SPIN!!!
Whoa, 100-150 hours per week on a trainer for Olys and HIMs several month from now? I know of no half training program that has that kind of mileage in presumably a base building phase. If you look at one of the Lieto boy's HIM training programs linked from here, the longest bike week (week 16 of 20) is 6.5 hours (assuming 17.5mph avg, that's ~115 miles). His tag says 'slow', so even at the very respectable 17.5mpg avg pace, y'all recommend starting at 6-9 hours a week on a trainer? If you also look at the Oly plan linked from TriFuel, you'll see the longest week is 3.5 hours on the bike.
So, IMHO, 100-150 on a trainer in December and working up from there is overkill. If you are doing 50-60 per week indoors this time of year, that is perfect. Correct me if I am wrong, but that probably translates to three 1-hour indoor sessions a week. Any more than that and you are bored silly. Yes?
I would look at your indoor sessions right now as nothing more than maintaining your cycling legs you built up over the summer through a basic base program of three 1-hr indoor rides a week (ie, the 50-60 you get right now). You said you have a running/swimming background. This time of year is perfect for running and swimming. But you didn't ask about that, so . . .
When the weather warms up, join a cycling club. Not a tri club. A roadie crew where they have their own lexicon of "crits," "Cats," and "Eurotrash." On average, USCF team rides are (IMHO) faster than tri group rides. And from your runnnig and swimming experiences, if you ever ran with a club or swam with a masters group, you probably found yourself being pushed. Ride with a crew that is faster than you are.
Whoa, 100-150 hours per week on a trainer for Olys and HIMs several month from now? I know of no half training program that has that kind of mileage in presumably a base building phase.
This is just what I'm doing, I have a HIM in April I want to be solid for. I'm following a few plans but Dec and Jan are my off months from school so I want to pile it on when I can. I've been averaging 4-6 hrs a week on the bike for the past month or so (on the trainer) and it's not too bad.
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Thanks for all the advice! I really want to be able to push on the bike when the season starts. On my last race of the season I was 3rd overall out of the water and after the 10 or 11th rider blew past me one of them asked if I was "feeling ok". Very embarrassing...
I am putting in about 5hrs a week on the trainer right now, but I'm also not running until january and am training for a HIM. I am hoping to do both planned HIM bike legs next year at around 20.5-21.5mph avg based on previous results. FWIW
As to the OP's question...I made significant improvement in my bike speed last season (+~2-2.5mph avg over Oly distance), and I can't really explain how specifically, but I'll tell you what I did:
- Over the winter, I attended spin classes at the gym...yes they are only 45 minutes long and on a bike with a flywheel (lots of inertia to keep legs moving), but they broke up the monotony of trainer rides and they introduced a new level of intensity. My avg HR for those workouts was near 170bpm and my normal HR on the bike was around 130. It also gave me a much better idea of what kind of work I should be doing on the trainer at home. Before, every trainer ride was too low intensity. Spinervals workouts are similar in there format to spin classes, so they should be effective as long as you're really pushing.
- Once it got warm enough to ride outside consistently (I live in OH so I feel your winter pain), I did with basically 2 workout types I'd switch between. 1 where I'd ride a flat and open route (little traffic and stoplights) while focusing on a higher cadence and staying in my aero tuck. I'd do some 2-3 min intensity bursts, where I'd push it pretty good spaced throughout the ride. These rides would generally be about (1-2mph sub race pace). The other workout, I'd just go exploring and find as many legitimate hills (there are plenty here in Cincy) as possible and ride them (in the amt of time I had planned to ride). This was really fun and helped build up my leg strength.
- Also, not related to the bike particularly, but racing in general, once I got into the build phase, I'd run off the bike 1 day per week starting at about 1.5 miles and building to 4 or so. This run was focused on high cadence and really helped me get in my running groove immediately out of T2. I'd do this on my flat aero riding days.
Anyways, that's a lot of specifics, but since I'm not totally sure where the gains came from I figure I'd lay it out there.
I was riding about 75-80 miles/week for my longer weeks (it was an Oly focus year), so obviously I'll up that this year for 70.3s, but the focus will be similar
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Loose the heart rate monitor. YOU ABSOLUTELY NEED A WATT METER for in door training. Here is your bike week. One day focus is on sprints: ten seconds ALL OUT with 5 minutes recovery. Total of four. One day VO2 max: three minutes ALMOST as hard as you can with 3 minutes easy spin. Total four repeats. One day threshold: 5-8 minutes at race pace then 30 seconds rest. Repeat four times. Can have rest days in between OR do sequentially, then rest then long. The watt meter is CRITICAL for VO2 max and threshold. Watts must be held constant otherwise you will star high and slow down. Watt meter is much more sensitive than a speedometer to minor variations in effort AND you get a real world comparison.
I wish I could afford a watt meter! Is there a cheap brand I could pick up for the time being?
Also, what gear should I be in for the workouts you described? After doing those sets should I just go back to a normal cadence for about an hour?
None of the cheaper powermeters are worth it.
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Honestly Donner, keep it simple. You don't need to spend money to be fast (even though it helps).
Just take your bike, and hit the road, everyday, and take scenic routes and enjoy the sport. Make sure you do speed work and stuff ,but clearly just log miles and you will see improvements, as with anything.
It's all a mental game, the harder you can push your body the stronger it will get (in most cases, unless you abuse it).
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In the end of the day its time in the saddle that matters most. As you get closer to your races you'll want to work in more speed work, but I'm standing by volume as the best winter strategy.
Weary is the path that does not challenge.
Whoa, 100-150 hours per week on a trainer for Olys and HIMs several month from now? I know of no half training program that has that kind of mileage in presumably a base building phase.
+1 to TriSooner. That sounds like a recipe for cabin fever to me (though others may feel differently) on an indoor trainer. I would think it would depend on when your Oly and HIM races are going to be - spring, summer, fall?
My personal recipe for cycling is to maintain through the winter via about 3 - 4 hours a week on the trainer. One 1.5 - 2-hour ride where I watch a movie, and two Spinervals sessions or sessions with intervals.
Then in March, I sign up for a 4-week 15 miler time trial series that our local road racing organization puts on. That makes me get out on the road in early March to start ramping up, and putting in a 15-mile time trial a week for a month gets me revved up into cycling again. Time trials are I think a great way for triathletes to focus on their cycling speed.
Then as the weather gets good in late spring/early summer, I start ramping up into longer rides. I don't usually hit 110 miles a week until maybe the last 3 weeks before peak. But then, I'm not much of a high-volume trainer either. Also, because of where I live, every ride is a hill ride. I think that helps keep the volume lower because intensity is higher.
This usually puts me in shape to average around 20mph for a HIM.
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When spring comes:
1) Find big ass hill.
2) Ride up hill
3) Repeat until vomit is induced, then do it one more time and ride home.
Once every week. Made a huge difference for me this year. To try to keep some fitness during the winter, i'll do a session on the trainer with high intensity repeats to mimic the hill workout.
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Ride Every Day
Seriously Ride Every SINGLE Day
Your rest day includes biking, even if it only is a 30 minute lark on the community use trail going 10-12mph
Do at least 30 minutes a day on the bike. Start off with about 3-4 weeks of this with just easy riding, Then add in one longer ride start off with about an hour for your longer ride, then add 30 minutes a week until it is 3 hrs. Then add in one interval session a week of 60 minutes, then up it to 90 minutes, then add in a second 60-90 minute interval session. If you get this far you are riding 7.5hrs a week. It should also be warm and you can start extanding your long ride to up to 5 hours.
You have a running and swimming background, so let those slough off for a while. Focus on the bike and you can add the run and swimm in as you like, but pay attention to your body.














I've been a swimmer and runner for most of my life so I really enjoy both training and racing in those events. When I started doing tri's I would get out of the water at the head of the pack, get passed on the bike, then make up ground on the run. I have improved some just through being on the bike, but how can I really make some improvements over the winter? I bought a Fluid2 trainer and a spinervals DVD. I am in Indiana so its cold, but I can still ride outside some days. Could someone point me to a workout plan??
I ride maybe 50-60 miles a week now.