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started by try2try on December 4, 2008

currently I am running a snail pace 5k of around 30 min and a PR in the 300m swim of 7:10. I am new to both. My goal (per previous posts) is to complete a HIM in November 09. My local Y is offering Master swimming class and a half Marathon training course. For personal reasons I can can't do both right now. I'm leaning towards the run(I've never had any formal run training) because I feel I can get more bang for the buck by improving my run time. then do the masters swimming this summer....I think I've answered my own question-go for the run class?? right? I know this is a basic question..sorry-any feed back would be great.Thanks

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Gsal posted 50 weeks ago.

if you really cant do both, i'd go for the run because the time spent running is usually longer than the swim, so you can get better at the run and save more time than if you got better at swimming. Get in some speedwork and slowly increase your mileage and you'll become a better runner over time. Still, remember that you cant focus ONLY on running (even though i feel it is more important than swimming). I would personally recommend balancing your training on a 3:1 ratio btw running and swimming. If you go through 4 days and run 3 of them, make sure you swim AT LEAST 1 day also.

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jwillia852 posted 50 weeks ago.

I would definitely do the swim, there is a far less margin of error when swimming, especially in OWS, the stronger you can be in the water the better.... You can fake the run - I do :-)

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jsk85 posted 50 weeks ago.

You'll definately get the biggest time gains from the run since it's a longer leg of the race, and with some dedicated, focused training, the times can drop fast pretty easily.

However, if you're really not comfortable with your swimming ability...then swimming will be better for your piece of mind and comfort level going into a race.

If you feel like you can swim a long time, just slowly...I'd say go with the run.
If you feel like you barely survive the 300m swim...go with the swim

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jonovision_man posted 50 weeks ago.

What's your HIM goal? It sounds like it's likely just to finish... in which case you should focus on the swim. You'd hate to miss the cut-off, DNF, or miss the cut-off...

And running is a lot easier to work on by yourself. Having someone watch you and help you with your swim technique is very valueable, not as important with running.

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jnrice posted 50 weeks ago.

jonovision_man wrote:
hate to miss the cut-off, DNF, or miss the cut-off...

+1 Yep, no questions asked. Also if you get all kinds of beaten up in the swim finish that bike and run will be a real chore, but if you limp through the run your done after it's over. I'd go with the swim.

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jonovision_man posted 50 weeks ago.

I don't know why I said miss the cut-off twice... :) Guess it's my biggest fear!

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Ironmom posted 50 weeks ago.

I would go for the swim, mostly from a safety standpoint. I think every swimmer attempting an open water triathlon should feel strong and confident in the water. For me, that's the bottom line just for basic safety. After that, working on speed, etc. is great.

Running is much easier to improve on your own. Swimming, it's much harder to do without a good coach. Swimming is just much more technique-based. At your current swim pace, I'd say that a coach could really help you swim stronger and faster.

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tri-ac posted 50 weeks ago.

gsal is right about bang for buck, but i think you can self coach the run training far better than you can self coach the swim.
so my vote: do the masters class

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zagfan posted 50 weeks ago.

I say swim. For a first timer (as I was this year) the swim was the biggest hurdle. Having confidence going into the swim is a big key to conquering the HIM for the first time if you aren't a veteran swimmer b/c how you start your race physically/mentally is important. DNF on the swim was my biggest fear going into my HIM.

Its easier to train yourself on the run. Running more will, generally, make you a better runner. Swimming more doesn't always make you a better swimmer, it can just solidify bad habits. Self coaching the swim for 6 months before you get a coach can make it that much harder to learn proper technique.

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kylie posted 50 weeks ago.

Yeah, I also feel that the input of others is more important in the water. On the run you can get a good training program and go through it yourself, but technique feedback for swimming is really valuable!

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TriSooner posted 50 weeks ago.

Assume you can only do one program, and for comparison purposes, let's assume you will make a 10% improvement in whichever one you choose (ie, either your run pace is 10% faster or your swim pace is 10% faster). At this point, which area of improvement will result in the biggest time savings should be obvious:

Given your current stats, you have a 100m pace of 2:23. If you swim 1.2 miles at this pace, you will finish in ~:46. If you join the masters group and manage a 10% improvement, that means you would finish in 41:30 (2:09 pace), for a time savings of ~4:30. Not bad at all.

If you run the half marathon at your current pace (5k in about :30 or 9:30 per mile), you will finish in 2:06. If you join the marathon training group and make a 10% improvement, you will drop roughly a minute off of your pace (8:39) and finish in 1:53, for a time savings of :13 minutes.

So, assuming a 10% improvement in one event but not the other, which 10% improvement translates to a better time savings? The run.

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kylie posted 50 weeks ago.

But which do you think he could get a better time savings on through training himself? My assumption was not that the other discipline would get NO improvement, but that it would be limited to self-improvement.

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azmojo804 posted 50 weeks ago.

I agree with all the points, but I think the main question would be: Are you wanting to just finish this HIM? or, do you want to kick some butt and have a faster time?

If you just want to finish, definitely concentrate on the swim (it'll pay off more in the long run). Since you'll receive some nice form coaching at the beginning of your learning, just as others mentioned.

If you want to have a faster time, you'll definitely do so by concentrating on the run, just as TriSooner calculated.

Being new to the Tri sport, it may also be very beneficial to get comfortable in the water. There are a lot of stories on this forum that mention people getting freaked out when they do their first open water swim (especially due to the massive loads of people but also due to limited visibility). Being more comfortable in the water will allow you to have a much easier adjustment to the OWS.

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TonisTri posted 50 weeks ago.

Well, I am jealous. I am dying for some coaching on my swim and can not find a coach or a class in my area yet. I took a running class this fall and felt like I got very little out of it. I would go for the swim. It seems like there is so much more that could go wrong with your stroke than with your run. There are books and articles for both, of course. I find it much easier to apply print info to my run, but harder to apply it to my swim. Let us know how the rest of your training and race goes for those of us working towards an HIM. Best of luck!

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try2try posted 50 weeks ago.

wow I love the internet ....thanks for all the input but I'm doing the master swimming. I do not want a DNF..nor do I want to drown... I think I will benefit more from swim instruction. My first tri in Feb has a 300m swim and last year sub 3 min was the tops, wowowowowow howhowhowhwohow. I must be missing something. i need/will learn>>>Next dumb Q in the next week