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started by jhudalla on October 8, 2008

Recently I scored a sweet wheelset, the only problem is it came with a 9-spd duraace cassette and have a 10-spd setup. So my question is;

a) should I do a duraace 10spd or ultegra? I don't plan on riding these wheels that often aside from races so I don't really care about the durability of the duraace setup since my main groupo is duraace and that's going to my workhorse any-ha.

b) is there any difference between the two cassettes aside from price, weight, and durability? Will I need to change anything if I go with a 12-27 cassette for the race wheels? My main set is a 11-23

Thanks in advance. Hey, I'm a software guy... be easy on me.

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PJT posted 1 year ago.

(a) I've only used ultegra, which works very well and is quite a bit cheaper than DA. If you are obsessed about shaving weight and have money to burn, go DA. Otherwise, ultegra will be absolutely fine.
(b) When you switch cassette sizes, you sometimes have to do some fine-tuning of the rear derailleur. This takes about 5 minutes. If your chain is cut very short, you may have some issues going from a 23 to a 27 in the back. (Quick way to check on this. Go big gear in front, 12 in the back. If the jockey wheels on your rear derailleur are vertical or pointing to the back of the bike, you'll likely have a long enough chain to use a 27. If they are pointing forwards, you might end up on the short side).

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jhudalla posted 1 year ago.

Yeah, I'm thinking ultegra but I don't want to have to do any adjustments... so a 11-23 for both wheelsets would be best then?

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PJT posted 1 year ago.

You're doing IMOO next year, right? I'd recommend at least a 25 on the back for that unless you consider yourself very strong on the hills. If you have a compact front then 11-23 should be OK.

The adjustment is really very simple--just putting the bike on a stand and using the barrel adjuster to get good shifts. When I put on race wheels, I usually take the opportunity to clean the chain too, so it's not much extra work. Also, sometimes it seems that even when I am using the same size cassette on my race and training wheels I need to do some fine-tuning, so going with 11-23 on each might not stop you from having to do the adjustment anyway.

For the chain, you can cut a chain so that it works fine with both an 11-23 and a 12-27. If your current one isn't cut that way, then you may need a new one. But you definitely only need one.

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jhudalla posted 1 year ago.

Yeah I'm doing IMOO, I used to live in NV where there are real mountains, but there's nothing like that here in MN :(. I'm no Lance in the mountains but I can handle'm. I think I'll do the same range but ultegra. Thanks for the tips. I'm planning on heading out to madison twice next summer to ride the course and know what I'm getting into.

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Toothless posted 1 year ago.

SRAM does a wider range, like 11-26 or 11-28. Might be worth looking into. I've got an Ultegra 11-23 and 12-27. I live in Boulder, so I run the 12-27 except for relatively flat races. It takes 5-10 minutes to change cassettes.

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jhudalla posted 1 year ago.

Will an SRAM cassette work with my DA drive setup? I really need to learn more about my bike.

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PJT posted 1 year ago.

Theoretically SRAM and Shimano cassettes are interchangeable. My experience was that everything was fine with 9-speed, but with my 10sp setup (DA derailleurs, Ultegra chain with Wipperman quicklink, FSA crank) the SRAM cassette had one or two gears just would not stop chattering. It didn't matter how much I adjusted the derailleur, though sometimes the chattering would switch to a different gear. I think at one point I even tried a SRAM chain and that didn't solve the issue. It was a bit of a problem since the loud gear was one I use a lot (like the 15 or 16). I switched to a Shimano cassette and the noise went away. Your mileage may vary.

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TriSooner posted 1 year ago.

Ultegra or DA cassette? Totally not worth the extra money for DA. You can (and should) buy 2 different-sized 10spd Ultegra cassettes for the price of one DA cassette. And re: 11X23 or 12X27, the only difference may be in chain length. You can either add/take out links (Note: This is a kick in the nuts and requires a chain pin tool) or just buy a new chain.

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jhudalla posted 1 year ago.

Cool. I'll do that (12x27) if I need a different chain, so be it. I need to learn how to maintain my bike anyhow, I've been a rockstar for too long.

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oswa0060 posted 1 year ago.

Hey jhudalla-

sheldonbrown.com provides a great online reference for just about anything you could want to do in regards to maintenance for your bike. Here is a link to an article on derailer adjustment and subsequently chain adjustment/maintenance:

http://sheldonbrown.com/derailer-adjustment.html#chain

This could be a good starting point for those projects that you have always wanted to do yourself. There are some great books out there as well but you can't beat free!

Good luck!

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PJT posted 1 year ago.

Chain tools, by the way, are an item where it pays to splurge a bit. Learn from my mistake and buy a good one. There's nothing worse than gouging the palm of your hand trying to remove a pin using a cheap chain tool. The small ones just cannot provide the torque of the bigger shop-quality tools.

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oswa0060 posted 1 year ago.

PJT is right on. Spend 30 - 40 bucks on a chain tool for use outside of race conditions. It will save your hands and help ensure you do not ruin your chain. Park Tool makes some great shop tools.

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TriSooner posted 1 year ago.

And while we are on the topic of tools, if you end up getting more than one cassette you will need a "chain whip" to change cassettes.

http://www.parktool.com/repair/readhowto.asp?id=48

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xc800runner posted 1 year ago.

If you aren't worried about durability, I suggest the KCNC superlight cassette. My 11-23 weighs in at 101 g. But it'll only last you about 2k miles and costs absurd dollars up front (~
$300).

You probably won't need to get a new chain, but you may want one anyway if you'll be cutting it up every time you swap cassettes. I'd recommend getting a chain with a quick release link (wipperman, sram and KMC are all good) so you can take it off and clean it without having to break out a pin and insert a new one - KMC DX10SC is probably the best for the money. Also, set up your new chain for the 12-27. It will work just fine at the same length for an 11-23, so you won't have to mess with the chain (aside from cleaning) until it needs to be replaced.

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jhudalla posted 1 year ago.

Thanks for the tip.

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spomeroy posted 1 year ago.

Toothless wrote:
SRAM does a wider range, like 11-26 or 11-28. Might be worth looking into. I've got an Ultegra 11-23 and 12-27. I live in Boulder, so I run the 12-27 except for relatively flat races. It takes 5-10 minutes to change cassettes.

+1 on the SRAM. Sweet cassettes. On my short list for next season race upgrades. The SRAM 11-26 OG-1070.

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