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Anton posted 8 weeks ago.
Quite normal! Then you'll hear the same folks complaining about getting "pinged" when they get caught. I've seen it in USAT races from sprint to IM. For a race that is non-drafting...and most are, it's cheating. Simple. If folks feel they have to cheat to get a podium spot or an age group win...that's sad.
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CadenceGuy posted 8 weeks ago.
I too have been passed by the 'PaceLine' groups and it sucks but its part of it. I did one race this year that actually had motorcycle marshalls on course for the drafting and never saw one 'paceline' the whole time, if it could only be done every time......
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xc800runner posted 8 weeks ago.
Perhaps I'm choosing the right events, or race with honest people, but I actually haven't seen a paceline in any of my races (the exception being Steelhead 70.3 where all 3k people went off in the span of 45 min, and then I was actually passing them). All the events I've done have had motorcycle marshals on the bike course, though.
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tsilcyc posted 8 weeks ago.
At Oceanside this past March, they had a No Passing Zone with a 25MPH limit set. While going down this section at 25MPH, I was passed by a group of drafters. I yelled that it was a No Passing Zone to which they replied: "What are we supposed to do?" Ummm... how about follow the rules?
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TriSooner posted 8 weeks ago.
As an IM MOPer, when I see pacelines (not often), I don't care. If you need to draft and finish MOP/BOP, fine. You clearly are the suck. Actually, though, I get more frustrated by non-entrants pacing people on the run.
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jsk85 posted 8 weeks ago.
I have seen enough of them to know they exist, but for one am not fast enough for it to really effect me. Also, I haven't seen them to be all that commonplace in short course racing. I'm sure that is different at some of the more crowded races and longer distances.
And Sooner, sorry...I have been known to accompany my wife on parts of the run leg not so much for pace as for moral support. She is a BOPer and walk/runs the last leg at the sprint tris anyways, so I don't feel like me being there is really giving her an advantage over others...more just a personal advantage since she tends to get frustrated when tired. I know it's against the rules, but in her situation the race is much more about the accomplishment of just finishing than competing with anyone so even if she crosses the line and I get her DQed, we still see the accomplishment of her finishing.
When I'm racing, I follow every rule that I know, but I am relatively competitive in the field so obviously don't want to cheat others or myself.
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Ultrarunner posted 8 weeks ago.
tsilcyc wrote:
At Oceanside this past March, they had a No Passing Zone with a 25MPH limit set. While going down this section at 25MPH, I was passed by a group of drafters. I yelled that it was a No Passing Zone to which they replied: "What are we supposed to do?" Ummm... how about follow the rules?Race your own race and do it honestly because in the end you have to face yourself no matter who is watching.
+1 on having to face yourself. I take pride in the fact that this sport is to be done under your own power. The only help I give or get from other athletes is motivation by telling them good job or being told the same.
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kylie posted 8 weeks ago.
jsk85 wrote:
And Sooner, sorry...I have been known to accompany my wife on parts of the run leg not so much for pace as for moral support. She is a BOPer and walk/runs the last leg at the sprint tris anyways, so I don't feel like me being there is really giving her an advantage over others...more just a personal advantage since she tends to get frustrated when tired. I know it's against the rules, but in her situation the race is much more about the accomplishment of just finishing than competing with anyone so even if she crosses the line and I get her DQed, we still see the accomplishment of her finishing.When I'm racing, I follow every rule that I know, but I am relatively competitive in the field so obviously don't want to cheat others or myself.
Gotta say I agree with sooner on this... it *is* a problem even if it is BOPers when the course has loops, or when there are other BOPers around who are then inconvenienced passing both of you, etc. For me it is less about the help it is giving the other person (although yes, mental support IS cheating) and more about the problems it causes (esp in an IM when going around that walking pack of 4 feels like SOO much work). Personally, I'm not sure I would count something as a finish where I didn't finish within the rules -- just like you don't want to cheat yourself, perhaps you should think about the same for your wife.
On the packs on the bike, yes, it is a problem, yes it is cheating, and yes I wish there were more draft marshals, and not just more of them but more WILLING TO MAKE THE CALL. I saw packs go by the draft marshal at one race and even the marshall just went on by them. If that is the attitude of the officials, why is there the rule?
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beads1985 posted 8 weeks ago.
The most difficult thing to do, is the right thing.
It sucks watching others do the wrong thing, and not getting called on it, but this is about individual effort.
Continue to do the right thing, and play by the rules.
In the end it is more important to have a honest race than a 'winning' race. ;-)
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laprokop posted 8 weeks ago.
I have always been torn by this. I have come to realize that really if they are going to draft it will eventually catch up with them.
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Carlos Mx posted 8 weeks ago.
kylie wrote:
On the packs on the bike, yes, it is a problem, yes it is cheating, and yes I wish there were more draft marshals, and not just more of them but more WILLING TO MAKE THE CALL. I saw packs go by the draft marshal at one race and even the marshall just went on by them. If that is the attitude of the officials, why is there the rule?
There was no lack of marshals on motorcycles in this race, at least 15 of them. They just wouldn't make the call. I actually saw how one lone drafter was penalized, while the pack wasn't at all.
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sbrstlouis posted 7 weeks ago.
Policing the peloton has always been (non-drafting) triathlon's biggest bane. Until draft-legal racing makes its way to age-grouper events, and that's not likely to ever happen, illegal drafting will always pose a problem. It's like the honor system for bagels at the office. If you get 95% compliance, its a success.
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I just finished my first no drafting event: Cancun Ironman 70.3 and was very careful about not cheating and keeping my distances in the bike segment. I actually was excited at the idea of doing it all by myself.
I was very disappointed when at least 4 "Tour de France" pelotons with 15-20 people passed me and didn't get any penalties.
Is this normal? What are your ideas?