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started by bluebirdbiker on September 12, 2008

Anyone tried this? Results? Thoughts?

http://www2.trainingbible.com/joesblog/2007_01_01_archive.html

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krazyfranco posted 1 year ago.

Thought: it makes sense to me. I might try it with an old pair of shoes.

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CadenceGuy posted 1 year ago.

Ive seen that article a while back, never did any research further on it though.

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jhudalla posted 1 year ago.

I'd think the reasoning would be for knee comfort.

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xc800runner posted 1 year ago.

I don't have experience with clipless, but when riding my fixie with normal shoes, I tend to slide my feet forward when I need to stop quickly (I don't have a brake) as I find it gives me more force backwards. But this is only reverse force, not forward driving force. If I were racing backwards, I'd most certainly pedal from the center of my foot.

Scientifically, this makes sense, as your legs will trasfer more force through the pedal if your ankle plays less a role in stabilizing your foot. The energy loss through here in a normal, forefoot placement will be lessened and you should gain power.

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jhudalla posted 1 year ago.

Essentially that would negate the calf muscle wouldn't it? it would be like a direct drive from you knee down your tibia to your pedal. Who whats big calves anyhow?

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bluebirdbiker posted 1 year ago.

xc800runner wrote:
........I tend to slide my feet forward when I need to stop quickly (I don't have a brake) as I find it gives me more force backwards.

This actually what brought me to try and investigate the topic. I too ride my fixie as you and found the same thing. It is an effective tech. for slowing down especially when accompanied with standing.

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jnrice posted 1 year ago.

CRAZY! I don't know what I think of this. It sounds well grounded but I just don't want to do it.

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Triguy98 posted 1 year ago.

I have my cleats alide all the way back on their adjustment. It works rather well for me. I wouldnt do it with an SPD cleat. that cleat design doesnt not work well in terms of disengagement. I would hate to try it that far back on my shoe.

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RREfan posted 1 year ago.

So glad to read this article! Having the cleat under the ball has never seemed like the optimal position to me. Thanks.

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cjhoffmn posted 1 year ago.

It's funny, I watched the Olympics BMX and noted that most of the riders had clip in pedals that looked like they were mounted UNDER THEIR HEELS. I thought that was bizarre, but didn't think too much about it. This does make some sense though... might be interesting to try some trifuel experiments...

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PrinceofClydes posted 1 year ago.

Read the article.
Sounds reasonable.
I will try it this w/e and report back.

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TriSooner posted 1 year ago.

jnrice wrote:
It sounds well grounded but I just don't want to do it.

+1

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longhair posted 1 year ago.

I played around with this for a week and here are my thoughts.

The physics make sense. Reduce the moment arm length and line up the pedal axel closer to where you apply the force. Can you slide the cleat back so its under your heel?

I feel this idea fails because of biomechanics. Your feet have evolved to push with the ball of your foot or the heel (think running or heavy lifting.) Feet don't perform well pushing from under the arch.

Maybe the way to take this to task is to design a pedal like a ski binding that grabs the ball of your foot and the heel. Place that on something super stiff, and locate a slide on the bottom so you can install the entire assembly between the ball of your foot and your heel.

Anyone want to fund a prototype?

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fastdog5 posted 1 year ago.

I don't have that much leeway w/ mine...when I slide the cleat all the way back, it's still under the ball of my foot (not under my arch), albeit toward the rear.