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swimming, don't think i should do it....duathlon anybody?

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started by advobwhite on August 11, 2008

9 weeks out from my race, finally able to go to ymca and get settled in. did about 200 yds, with about 3 or 4 long breaks, then after getting my confidence crushed, went to the weight room to hit up the row machine and do a few dips and ab workout, followed by another 160 yds. i have no clue how i can do this race....its a 600 yd swim, and i can't even do 200 yds right now. i thought i'd be much more able to do this. i can run a 5k fairly easily at a slower pace(10'ish mph, working on getting that up) and bike the 18 miles fairly easily at a slower pace as well. any opinions? should i give up the triathlon and focus on a duathlon, or is 9 weeks good enough time to get my swimming up to par? next time i'm just gonna focus on swimming and not stop to do the other stuff, but i was just getting a feel for the ymca.

also, when should i add in strength training w/ my workouts? i'll probly just do BW stuff for now.

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jonovision_man posted 16 weeks ago.

I've had days like you're talking about, where you leave the pool feeling like it's just not working... then the next day, it just clicks. Baby steps. If you can swim 200 yards without stopping then you're probably breathing properly, so it might just be you're trying to go too fast. Slow it down, take it easy, concentrate on form.

I just starting swimming in Jan, so I went through exactly that stage just months ago, the difference between 200 and 400 and 600 is not huge, once you find that pace you can do continuously it all just flows after that. And always remember - if you get into trouble in the race, you can flip on your back and chill for a bit... get your breath, and get back at it.

Good luck!

BTW - nothing wrong with a duathlon, I did one last year before I got into swimming, it was a lot of fun. It at least gets you out to the event so you can see what it's all about, go through the transitions, etc. It's a good option if you need it.

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advobwhite posted 16 weeks ago.

okay, so backstroke and stuff are legal in race?

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Anton posted 16 weeks ago.

A great way to get your swimming up is to put in a "Pickle Head" week. Get to the pool everyday and sometimes twice a day. Don't kill yourself, don't hammer just swim...focus on form...you'll be surprised how much more comfortable you'll feel by the end of the week.

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diva_mom posted 16 weeks ago.

you can do it - but you gotta believe.

Don't be so easy on yourself 'cause this one might be all that you have left

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groovyjen posted 16 weeks ago.

I was sick about a month ago (pneumonia - lost about two weeks of training). Anyhow, when I got back in the pool I just felt like poo. My 300 free was awful. I was feeling a little sorry for myself, wah wah wah.

Anyhow, I took a moment, composed myself and made a real effort to quit the negative thinking. Then I did an easy 150 and tried the 300 again. Much better.

What diva_mom said is true.

You can do this. Good luck.

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peterwong posted 16 weeks ago.

What kind of stroke are you able to do?
If your front crawl isn't that great, can you reply on your breast stroke?

I've heard of people breast stroking their way in tris

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mwconstruct1972 posted 16 weeks ago.

If it helps... I did my first tri two weeks ago. I never learned to swim crawl stroke) until the month before the race. I took lessons at the Y but did not have time to really practice or build endurance. For my tri I sidestroked almost the whole 500 yds. It wasn't pretty or fast but it got me to the bike leg and my vintage 35lb steel framed Giant Cabriolet. After a descent ride my legs were not ready for the run. I pounded it out and finally got my legs under me at about mile 2.5 of the 3.1 mile run. I finally committed to doing the race the first week of July and didn't have much time left to train- then proceeded to overtrain. In the process I managed to cause some old injuries to flare up. The moral of the story is that if I listened to all the things that were causing doubt or saying no or you can't compete- I never would have ran the race. In spite of the obstacles- I ran the race- and did the best I could with what I had to work with. Now I can work on the many things that need improvement. In fact just this past week I swam 1 very good length (good form and timinging). It is small but it is what I have to build on. Good luck with your efforts.

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Artemis posted 16 weeks ago.

When I first started my swimming training, I could barely make it 25m. I hated it, and I felt like I would never be able to do the .5 mile for my first tri. But, I got back into the pool 3-4x/week and pushed myself as much as I could, adding a little distance on each time. At about 6-7 weeks, it all kind of came together, and I did 850m w/o stopping. I still had to sidestroke through part of the swim in my first tri due to some panic in the open water, but I had a blast and I've already signed up for another one. Now my swim workouts are about 2000m and I've managed to incorporate speed/endurance/form workouts into them, whereas before I just had to concentrate on doing the race distance and nothing else. So, DON'T give up! You'll absolutely get there if you are consistent and get to the pool as much as you can.

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Tri_it_out posted 16 weeks ago.

9 weeks is plenty. Get in the pool and swim swim swim until 600 yards ain't nothin'. All it takes is some pushing. Know you can do it and do it.

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jtrimom posted 16 weeks ago.

you can do it. One thing I did when I was getting used to freestyle is start out doing 200 -250 or however long you can maintain freestyle, then for an active recovery (which is what you may need to do in the race) do 50-100 of breaststroke/sidestroke or whatever will give you a breather while still moving forward, then back to freestyle. Eventually, you can shorten the active recovery and go freestyle straight thru

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gatrswmr posted 16 weeks ago.

You are well ahead of my friend that couldn't swim more than 50yds straight the week of the race! We all thought he wasn't going to make it but he did a 600m choppy ocean swim with no issues by alternating freestyle and side stroke.

Relax as much as possible in the water and get it done, you can do it all it takes is the desire.

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TriSooner posted 16 weeks ago.

Just to tap the brakes on the "go for it at any cost" advice, if you doubt your abilities, I'd recommend waiting, getting more training in, and then trying, especially if it is an open water swim. Races are totally different than paddling up and down a lane at the Y.

Kylie started this thread and posted the article below on July 29th:
http://www.trifuel.com/forum/15001/ny-times-article-on-tri-deaths

NY Times: Recent Triathlon Deaths Have Experts Searching for Answers
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/28/fashion/28fitness.html?_r=3&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

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diva_mom posted 16 weeks ago.

sooner, you are so right in reminding us that there are significant consequences to our actions. and that if you are truly not ready, rethink it.

Don't be so easy on yourself 'cause this one might be all that you have left

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olivestri posted 16 weeks ago.

i agree with sooner - you shouldn't kill yourself. But outside of having a heart attack or freaking out in the open water, you'll be fine. work on doing freestyle for as long as you can and then resting by breast or side stroke or floating. after a few weeks, you'll wonder what the big deal was.

back when i was trying to become a swimmer again, i took inspiration from an old and overweight man that used to lap swim at a pool i was attending. i could barely do two laps, but there he was for a 1/2 or an hour stroking back and forth. i started to notice that half of what he was doing was floating - it is water after all. from then on when i'd get tired, i'd remember this old guy, slow down my stroke, and just plod along half stroking, half floating.

in swimming to finish, there is no rush.

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olivestri posted 16 weeks ago.

oh - and you can do any stroke you want - and you can usually hang on to the support kayaks to rest and regroup if you need to.

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kylie posted 16 weeks ago.

Just to clarify something: in the articles about deaths, it was not deaths from not being good swimmers -- they were fairly experienced. But in the water if things go wrong they can go very wrong, so it is something to keep in mind.

As for if you should do it, does the tri still appeal? Do you *want* to get better at swimming? If so, yes, you can, you will be fine, and best of luck! If the tri does not still appeal, and you'd be just fine not getting in the water again, but a du sounds like a blast, then move on, find a du, enjoy, and best of luck :)

You can do it, but it is up to you if that kind of challenge is fun to you.

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trigirltina2 posted 16 weeks ago.

Plenty of friends who swam on their backs, breaststroke, never put thier head in the water but some how managed to do the swim! One of them now is in training for his first Ironman in Arizona in Nov! Jason Payre (so if you can track him huge motivation factor). His strenght is that he is a bike geek and can run. (He catches me on the run usually-Vineman it was the bike)

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zagfan posted 16 weeks ago.

9 weeks is plenty of time to improve the swim, if you put the work in. The key is to focus on form and stick with it. You just have to get into the pool 3-4 times/week and set a goal to get a little better each week. All of us newbies go through days like this, it just takes determination to get through them.

That being said, I agree with TriSooner. You'll have to make a realistic judgment call on whether or not you are ready. I applaud everyone who toes the line at any triathlon, but there is a reason triathletes are so dedicated to their training, this stuff isn't easy and you have to be prepared. I recommend finding a friend who can swim and ask if they'll give you a quick lesson. About once every two months I'll get in the pool with a fellow triathlete from work and spend about 30 minutes with him analyzing my stroke. He then gives me the top 3 things I'm doing wrong (yeah, the list is still long enough for a top 3) and some drills to correct them. I then focus on those three things in my workouts for the next month or so and I've made huge improvements everytime.

Good luck!

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advobwhite posted 15 weeks ago.

its not the open water freakout, i've been in and around water my whole life, living in the gulf coast, but never trained, so i've never had to do much more than 10-15 yds or tread water for more than a few mins. i'm gonna go for it, because its something that i wanna do. i'll just hit the water alot, and go for some open water swims soon. I am wondering what breakstroke, sidestroke, and crawl are. i am gonna try the active recovery thing today and see how far i can get. thanks for the encouragement and input!

*EDIT* after reading posts on the swimming forum, i'm thinking intervals are the way to go. I'm considering searching for different forms and techniques and doing intervals w/ each form? say 50m breastroke, 50m crawl, 50m backstroke, etc. any comments?

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olivestri posted 15 weeks ago.

yes. yes. and yes. although you might focuse on the craw/freestyle since that is likely to be your primary racing stroke. i use the others for a break/rest.

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azmojo804 posted 15 weeks ago.

Yes, different strokes are an awesome idea to keep you going. Just like you mentioned, 50 breast, 50 crawl, 50 back, etc. etc. The more you get comfortable, the more you'll be able to do, 100, 100, 100, then 200, 200, 200.

Another method would be do only do the freestyle (crawl), but do in chunks of 25, 50, 75, 100...whatever you are comfortable with. Just make sure to do a total of 500 or 600m for the session. After a couple of times doing that, you'll be able to double your distance chunks and pretty soon, your times of rest between each chunk will decrease until you're doing the whole thing solid.

Swimming is an event that you can quickly increase your maximum distance. Once you get comfortable with your stroke, it's smooth sailing.

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max ping posted 15 weeks ago.

i had about the same prep time for my first last october. intitially i couldn't get past twenty five yards. i know how you feel! i was determined to do it. did it and it was not pretty. breast stroked alot. the main thing was spotting since the race was in a lake. i practiced spotting in the pool, but no matter how good i thought i was at it, it just wasn't enough. wasn't the same.
my son and i did it together (having someone along for the ride that is equally concerned about all the same things helps) we built past 25 yds, and even got past our distance of a half mile. so you have the time, keep plodding along, you will get it , no problem. and the feeling after the race is without measure!

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advobwhite posted 15 weeks ago.

went in there last night. first off, i did do the 600 yd through combo of crawl(if that's the reg stroke) and backstroke and several rests, and my lowerback and arms are sore today. talked to the adult swim instructer and get started w/ swim classes in 2 weeks, so when i do that i'll start doing the intervals w/ different techniques, but i'm intimidated more by the pool than by open water, so want somebody to be there to show me how to do it. so yeah, gonna keep at it, weekly updates will be up!

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advobwhite posted 14 weeks ago.

instead of making a new thread for the update, i figured i'd update this one...so, i can consistantly get 600 yds after several short breaks, noticing i'm backstrocking less and taking shorter breaks, and its also getting easier as i push it harder....already 1 week into it and i'm about twice as good as when i started...woot!

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nfl posted 14 weeks ago.

You can try swimplan.com. They will create workouts specificly designed for Triathletes. They are custom to your swimming ability. You are supposed to do a 5 minute time trial, but so far I have been getting workouts based on a rough assesment of my ability.

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kylie posted 14 weeks ago.

Congrats on the improvement! I'm so glad you are making progress :)

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azmojo804 posted 14 weeks ago.

sounds like you'll make it just fine. Nice job!

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trigirltina2 posted 14 weeks ago.

advobwhite wrote:
instead of making a new thread for the update, i figured i'd update this one...so, i can consistantly get 600 yds after several short breaks, noticing i'm backstrocking less and taking shorter breaks, and its also getting easier as i push it harder....already 1 week into it and i'm about twice as good as when i started...woot!

Whoo Yahoo!

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advobwhite posted 14 weeks ago.

yeah, like i said...steady improvements. just knocked off a quick 160 yds after an upper body workout, no break, altho i did one or 2 laps backstroking, but besides that no break, as well as 600 yds total..hooray!

*EDIT* recapping my swim from yesterday i actually did 200 yds and 160 is is when i started back stroking, and i did 20 yds back stroking, so 1 lap, and the rest was the regular stroke! woot.