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I'm going to get a fixie for my commute. My bike has taken a beating over its short 2.5 yr life, and I'm replacing the drivetrain and wheels. It deserves to just be used for training. So while I've done a bunch of research, I've got a couple of questions that some of you fixie riders might be able to help me with.

GEOMETRY: track vs road vs cross frames?
We're all about fit for our bikes. Is a fixie commuter the same deal? As I look around, I see few bikes that even offer a 63cm (my current road size). I've learned track frames are more compact; cross frames are slightly longer for stability. Does any of this matter? FWIW, my commute is short.

GEARING: based on testing equivalent gear on my bike I think a +/- 42x16 is the right setup. Why would I get an equivalent ratio with a bigger or smaller front ring? 48x18 or 39x15 for example

DRIVETRAIN CARE: While I think I definitely could be more gentle with my bike, there's a certain amount of abuse that it better be able to take. I'm optimistic that by going fixie, my drivetrain issues will be more limited. Is there anything special about chain care that I should plan on that's different from a multi-geared setup?

Thanks!

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xc800runner posted 17 weeks ago.

Geometry:
I built up my fixie as a commuter/off season trainer from an early 80's lugged steel 61 cm road frame. My road bike is (sorry, was, as it was recently stolen) 58 and my tri 55. I prefer a lot of drop on the tri bike and a bit of drop on my roadies. I got the frame cheap, which is why I chose this size. You can go with whatever you feel comfortable riding, but most prefer road geometry. You can always change stem length to adjust the stretch. Stiffness isn't as important as in a track bike, as you'll likely never be sprinting on this.

Gearing:
It's up to you as to what you want to do with the set-up of this. If you have a 42 ring sitting around and want the gear inches with a 16 on the back, go ahead. Personally, I think the 42x16 is a little on the short side, and if you have any downhills, you'll be struggling to keep up cadence. I've hit 155 before my legs refused to spin any faster, lost the chain off the rear cog, and locked up the back wheel at about 40 mph. I ride 46 x 15 around Chicago and don't have a problem. If you're running without brakes, though, I find it easier to stop with a smaller set-up.
The only real differences in big/big or small/small will be stiffness in the chain ring (smaller will have less flex), and wether you'll be able to get your chain around both if you have a big/big (most fixies use BMX chains which only have 110-114 links--with a large frame a single chain may not be long enough). If you're building this yourself, ensure you have a narrow BB to get a proper chainline. You may need to put the chainring inside the crank splines for this.

Drivetrain Care:
This is the best part. You don't really need to do anything. Get a 1/8" ring, cog and chain - they're a bit stronger than 3/32" - clean and lube it when needed and you're good.

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bluebirdbiker posted 17 weeks ago.

Oh good on ya! You won't go back! hehehehe

GEOMETRY: track vs road vs cross frames?
I am a tri freak and thus have set mine up like a tri bike. I used to have a road geometry but as always FIT is key:

GEARING: 48x18 is a good ratio or even try a 48x17 (16) It requires struggle on the hills but makes the legs stronger. Remember at the start no matter what ratio you have it will cause your knees to hurt till the body acclimates. I use a 48x15 now and switch with a flip flop to a 48x16

DRIVETRAIN CARE: None. The chain is larger and more durable thus, can take more punishment. Make sure that the bearings you use are sealed. Front, not so much but definitely the back. A rear sealed hub (if you plan on riding in the rain) is a must or you will be replacing bearings and/or hubs again. Also, some advice, make sure that the BB is sealed as well. If you make it all sealed there will only be the chain lube maintenance no matter how much rain.

Once you go fixie you will not go back, beware the dark side!

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WillbIM1Day posted 17 weeks ago.

Hopefully this isn't too much of a threadjack, but jeez how do y'all know all of this fixie stuff? I am definitely interested in getting into the bike commute (easy as pie in NYC), but I wouldn't know where to start. It sounds like you guys know a ton about gearing and parts.

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tri-ac posted 17 weeks ago.

WillbIM - sheldon brown has some good info on fixies (beware of the final photos!)
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/fixed.html

thanks xc800 & BBB, that's helpful!
i'm in portland so rain (& hills) is part of the commute. I'll see what I can do about the sealed hub and BB. i'm not as worried about downhills as i am uphills, but it sounds like I can add improved climbing to the list of benefits. So I'll definitely consider gearing up a notch.

another question: do i go with crank lengths that are the same as my road bike or shorten them?

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xc800runner posted 17 weeks ago.

Shorten the cranks. You need better cornering clearance as you'll need to pedal around turns. I race on 175's but my fixie has 165's. Same Look Keo pedals so I only need one pair of shoes for the roadie and fixie. Just make sure whatever pedals you put on there have good ground clearance and don't lean as far into turns as you would on a switchback at 50mph.

As for the sealed hubs, most fixed/fixed or fixed/free hubs will be sealed. High end track hubs, maybe not. I know a ton of people who ride on formula hubs and don't have problems. I just built up a set of low flange IRO hubs I got from their bargain section for $30. Super smooth so far. The sealed BB will be similar. Any standard road, square taper will be this way. I have the shimano UN54, picked up locally for about $25 new.

WillbIM: Starting a fixie is easy. Just start stripping parts off your bike and don't stop until removing something else prevents you from going forward. Then get a new back hub threaded for a cog and lock ring. You're good to go.

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TriSooner posted 17 weeks ago.

tri-ac wrote:
beware of the final photos!
Noooooooooooooo! Why didn't I listen to you?

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tri-ac posted 17 weeks ago.

TriSooner wrote:
tri-ac wrote:
beware of the final photos!
Noooooooooooooo! Why didn't I listen to you?


it was more of an invitation than a warning :)

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Milesofsmiles15 posted 17 weeks ago.

How much does it usually cost to change an old road bike into a fixie? i had one of my old ones appraised at a bike shop and they said $100-$150. but they also said this was a new thing to them, so i looked no further into it. i have a couple old (very very nice) road bike frames sitting around, i have been using them to get to class, but they keep falling apart on me, i want to build something bombproof. I would also use it for riding on days when the weather is less than ideal.

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bluebirdbiker posted 17 weeks ago.

All depends where you get the parts and how fancy/expensive the fixie is to be. A reasonable price should be around 100-200$ if you make it yourself. But again, how fancy do you want it? Price out all the parts seperately. Use what ever you can from the old bike.

Re cranks tri-ac: I agree that shorter are better and DEFINITELY do not corner as hard. It could be painful (LOL!) Also, if you are using an older frame or non "velo" frame then shorter is better. Real velo frames are higher off the ground to account for the crank length. So be aware of that.

Best thing to do is to just go and look at real velodrome bikes and take digital pics of them, then decide what you want. Here is a great site that might prove useful. But then again all bike porn is useful!

http://fixedgeargallery.com/

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tri-ac posted 17 weeks ago.

here's the frame i'm getting (in white)
http://www.somafab.com/rush.html
i'm going with a 46/16 after talking with my lbs
drop handlebars w/ cross brake lever for the front
black tape, black cranks, black wheels

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tri-ac posted 17 weeks ago.

:D

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bluebirdbiker posted 17 weeks ago.

Sounds like that is a good gear ration tri-ac. And a good starter frame. Are you putting clipless pedals on?

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PrinceofClydes posted 17 weeks ago.

When I was a schoolboy in England, I busted my derailleur and couldn't afford another one. I happened to have a fixed cog on the opposite side to the freewheel.
So I flipped it.
I shortened the chain using a hammer and nail to break the link by pushing the pin out between a crack in the pavement and then re-connected it leaving out 8" or so. I squeezed the pin back in with pliers.

That was it. I rode it to and from school for a year or so after that until I got a job and bought another derailleur.

Never had a problem with it.

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tri-ac posted 17 weeks ago.

bluebirdbiker wrote:
Sounds like that is a good gear ration tri-ac. And a good starter frame. Are you putting clipless pedals on?

yep. same candy sl's as on my "old" bike. that will keep me attached when the bouncing starts... :)

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tri-ac posted 16 weeks ago.

tri-ac wrote:
here's the frame i'm getting (in white)
http://www.somafab.com/rush.html
i'm going with a 46/16 after talking with my lbs
drop handlebars w/ cross brake lever for the front
black tape, black cranks, black wheels

Here it is:
http://triac.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/rush-sm.jpg

I'll probably write a few comments about getting up to speed on it in a week or so...just gonna ride it right now!

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