Bike Terminology Question
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UFTriGator posted 25 weeks ago.
I would call a turn technical if you can go through it faster because you have crit racing experience. Generally, I'd say that would mean that you can go through fast enough to have to lift your inside pedal to keep it from scraping and that countersteering becomes an important factor. I don't know what a technical climb is. It's all subjective anyway.
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Tri_it_out posted 25 weeks ago.
Was it used in the context: "... was a very technical climb/turn." I guess whoever was saying this meant that the person's technique was ideal. They were observing proper technique?
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Anton posted 25 weeks ago.
It means the turn or climb requires strong bike handling skills. A decent with sharp turns for example...being able to maintain speed, take a good line through the turns and not have anything tragic happen, requires skill gained through practice. It requires good technique and hence...technical.
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sheracr posted 25 weeks ago.
It is all relative, too. I know folks that do not consider a certain route to be technical, while competent but experienced riders consider it technical. Generally I'd say the more likely you are to be in a "bad way" if you lack bike controls skills or just don't pay attention, then the more technical it is.
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Anton posted 25 weeks ago.
Bike handling skills...or hospital bills!
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deepbluex posted 25 weeks ago.
Speaking of technical courses - I had something happen to me that bugged me because I was pretty sure I was in the right but I'm not 100% sure.
During a fairly fast descent, I took the most efficient line - basically keeping my line as straight as possible through the turns. Basically looking for the best apex rather than following the exact contour of the road and the painted marks. Another racer started yelling at me saying to keep my line with the road. In his mind, I was weaving in and out of the road - which was technically true because I would go from one side to the next as the curves came up - but in my mind, I was taking the line that made me go the fastest. I would have had to slow down a lot in order to simply follow the road.
The road was closed off to any auto traffic - it was at the Catalina Island tri where there's a good climb and descent in the bike leg.
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trigirltina2 posted 25 weeks ago.
deepbluex wrote:
Speaking of technical courses - I had something happen to me that bugged me because I was pretty sure I was in the right but I'm not 100% sure.During a fairly fast descent, I took the most efficient line - basically keeping my line as straight as possible through the turns. Basically looking for the best apex rather than following the exact contour of the road and the painted marks. Another racer started yelling at me saying to keep my line with the road. In his mind, I was weaving in and out of the road - which was technically true because I would go from one side to the next as the curves came up - but in my mind, I was taking the line that made me go the fastest. I would have had to slow down a lot in order to simply follow the road.
The road was closed off to any auto traffic - it was at the Catalina Island tri where there's a good climb and descent in the bike leg.
You ride to the right and pass on the left. If you are riding to far left and someone can pass on the right, you are not far enough over. The expection is when you are in the act of passing and you are not hindering another racer. (even on closed roads)
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UFTriGator posted 25 weeks ago.
Anton wrote:
The laws of Physics are not subjective...gator! ;)
I don't know, man....someone was telling was telling me all about how technical St. Anthony's is and I think the turns are pretty wide open.
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thesonicson posted 25 weeks ago.
I agree with you deepblue, the term "follow your line" I thought was in reference to an erratic rider not following a straight line. Just watch the TouR, those guys sure in the hell aren't following the road contour, but finding the straightest "line" possible. Isn't that what a line is.......straight? I've never heard the term "follow the contour!!!" lol!
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dlhnpt posted 25 weeks ago.
Tri_it_out wrote:
Was it used in the context: "... was a very technical climb/turn." I guess whoever was saying this meant that the person's technique was ideal. They were observing proper technique?
It came up in the athlete guide for the NYC tri (coming up this weekend). I couldn't figure out what they were talking about... No mountains here and the course seems straight, so I thought maybe it meant something different. I think it's a way for them to get people to pay attention to what the guide says and ride safely in and out of transition, etc. Thanks for the inputs.
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theShiba posted 25 weeks ago.
trigirltina2 wrote:
deepbluex wrote:Speaking of technical courses - I had something happen to me that bugged me because I was pretty sure I was in the right but I'm not 100% sure.During a fairly fast descent, I took the most efficient line - basically keeping my line as straight as possible through the turns. Basically looking for the best apex rather than following the exact contour of the road and the painted marks. Another racer started yelling at me saying to keep my line with the road. In his mind, I was weaving in and out of the road - which was technically true because I would go from one side to the next as the curves came up - but in my mind, I was taking the line that made me go the fastest. I would have had to slow down a lot in order to simply follow the road.
The road was closed off to any auto traffic - it was at the Catalina Island tri where there's a good climb and descent in the bike leg.You ride to the right and pass on the left. If you are riding to far left and someone can pass on the right, you are not far enough over. The expection is when you are in the act of passing and you are not hindering another racer. (even on closed roads)
I agree w/deepblue here. If you are clearly riding the proper "line" for the course, you are correct. STAYING to the right doesn't mean that you have to hug the line the whole time. Hugging the inside of a turn is much harder/dangerous than taking a turn properly.
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Sully800 posted 25 weeks ago.
I don't think you need Crit experience, but I would say a technical course or descent is one in which good handling would give you an advantage over someone with poor handling. Usually that just means there are sharp turns for how fast you are traveling, or the course winds back and forth so you have to choose the most efficient line.
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Anton posted 25 weeks ago.
"Hold your line!" (when it's yelled at you) means to not weave all over the place...inside the lane, outside the lane, in the contour or not...stop weaving! More often than not it's yelled by guys with broken collar bone memories who get nervous around people who follow the fall line.
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cutiger95 posted 25 weeks ago.
Rubbing is racing and if someone yells on the left I will take a wider turn, if you don't and just want to sneak up on my left, don't expect that I have a backup sensor installed up my arse, that noise is simply gas and likely that I will come over on top of you.
Following the fall line of the hill is not erratic at all and honestly I would rather catch someone to pass that is following the line rather than blindly following the lay of the road, from a pure biking perspective. Because I ride the fall line I know better where you are about to go. Following the road will put you in a hospital in a race many times.
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theShiba posted 25 weeks ago.
OK... Seriously, someone tell me that you can bomb down a hill without following the fall line... It's just not safe.
What defines a "technical turn" or a "technical climb" on a bike course? I assume sharp turn and a steep climb, but what do these terms really mean?