Running Without Water.......Sabotage?
if you run any distance, and you don't experience feelings or symptoms of deyhdration, then you didn't need water. i'm no camel, and I can easily run 90-100 minutes without stopping for water. is it sabotage ...? probably not - unless you intend to race differently than you're training. if you're putting in longer runs, then I suggest stowing aid at planned intervals along your route, or simply make your route pass by the same location every 3 or 4 miles. for my longer training runs where I integrate aid, I run a butterfly route around my town that passes by the same point every ~3.5 miles (called a butterfly because it converges but never overlaps)
Look at the color of your urine. THAT is going to tell you whether or not you need water. You won't "feel" dehydrated until you're past the point.
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If it's cool outside, I don't worry about water unless I'm going 14+ miles. When it's hot I plan on getting water if I'm running more than 10 miles.
I've run by parks with fountains, by my house, and I've driven out to drop off water bottles.
Depends on the temperature for me. In general I try to have a couple water fountains I know along the route if it is going to be a longer run (over an hour). I'm lucky that my main route has a water fountain about every 2 miles.
If it is a trail run and there won't be water access, I have a FuelBelt and an amphipod belt that I will use. I have used a camelback as well, but that isn't my favorite solution.
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I sweat a lot while running. I have a fuel belt and have gone through 7 of the little bottles in an hour and a half. That was at about 9 PM. But I live in Phoenix. I never go on a run of any distance without something to drink. For shorter runs I use this http://www.nathansports.com/our_products/hydration_nutrition/quickdraw_p...
That link doesn't work. It is the Nathans QuickDraw Plus
I usually make sure I'm well hydrated pre-run, and hydrate afterwards. but if I'm on a training run less than ~2hrs (depending on weather conditions) I can go without water without a significant drop off from what I've seen. That's pushing it, but I think 1.5 hrs can be reasonably done depending on the person and the climate. Now in races I drink if it's longer than 1/2 hr or sometimes even less than that, but that's at a higher intensity so I need it all.
Remember, when you start training for HIM/Im that you won't be starting your run after a "short" ride. Fluid mistakes you make on the ride can kill you on the run in longer races.
Under an hour you shouldn't need anything, really unless it's extremely hot or humid. Plan your loops accordingly. I'm lucky to have a state park 200 yards away where I can run for hours and hit 12 or more fountains if I need them.
I agree with tsilcyc...check your urine. You can't go by 'feel.' By the time you feel thirsty it may be too late. Another method to make sure you're getting enough is to weigh yourself, naked, pre run. Do the same on your return. Drink 6-8 ounces of fluid to make up the difference.
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I sweat a lot while running. I have a fuel belt and have gone through 7 of the little bottles in an hour and a half. That was at about 9 PM. But I live in Phoenix. I never go on a run of any distance without something to drink. For shorter runs I use this http://www.nathansports.com/our_products/hydration_nutrition/quickdraw_p...That link doesn't work. It is the Nathans QuickDraw Plus
http://www.nathansports.com/our_products/hydration_nutrition/quickdraw_plus.html is what you are looking for.
I, however, like this: http://www.amphipod.com/380/380.html
I use one of these:
http://www.amphipod.com/320/320.html
It doesn't bounce around and it has tons of room in the pocket.
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About a year ago I heard a lecture by an ultramarathoner who said that she takes water with her on any run over three miles. Since then, I always take water with me on pretty much any distance and have noticed that it really improves the quality of my run. Like "tsilcyc" above, I also use the Amphipod but I use the handheld one. It works great and I don't even notice it anymore (except when I am thirsty and am grateful to have it).
What skyrone said reminds me that I never mentioned that one of the main reasons that I carry water on shorter runs is safety. I just think that if something were to happen to me, at least I would have a bit of water to hold me over until help could arrive. If needed, it could help my flush a wound, cool myself, whatever...
If I am close to home, and running under and hour I typically don't carry water. I do have my road ID and a couple of bucks. I pass many places I can stop by and get a drink if need be.
I make sure I drink plenty of water every day and some right before I go out for a run.
If I am running over an hour I put more planning into the run and make sure I bring water in a water bottle, fuel belt or camelbak.
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If it's cool outside, I don't worry about water unless I'm going 14+ miles. When it's hot I plan on getting water if I'm running more than 10 miles.I've run by parks with fountains, by my house, and I've driven out to drop off water bottles.
Once there was a time when I was dropping off water bottles before a long run. A lady driving by saw me hiding water bottles behind a bush and yelled "You litterer!!" and gave me the finger while driving passed me.
TryScott wrote:If it's cool outside, I don't worry about water unless I'm going 14+ miles. When it's hot I plan on getting water if I'm running more than 10 miles.I've run by parks with fountains, by my house, and I've driven out to drop off water bottles.
Once there was a time when I was dropping off water bottles before a long run. A lady driving by saw me hiding water bottles behind a bush and yelled "You litterer!!" and gave me the finger while driving passed me.
Were you able to come up with anything about her being in a car and polluting to yell back?
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TryScott wrote:If it's cool outside, I don't worry about water unless I'm going 14+ miles. When it's hot I plan on getting water if I'm running more than 10 miles.I've run by parks with fountains, by my house, and I've driven out to drop off water bottles.
Once there was a time when I was dropping off water bottles before a long run. A lady driving by saw me hiding water bottles behind a bush and yelled "You litterer!!" and gave me the finger while driving passed me.
Priceless!
My lil brother showed me something yesterday that I never thought of, but should of. We were running on a road that's next to a golf course, and he asked which holes have cups of water. I told him that I never thought of checking. Luckily, it was a well maintained course that still had cold water in the cooler at 8:00pm. Awesome!
Another way, in addition to the urine color test is a weight test. If you lose more than 1% of your body weight while exercising, it's not supposed to be good. I personally bring water, since I sweat a TON and I'm in AZ. Anything over 30 minutes and I bring water.
Weigh yourself at the beginning of your exercise, don't drink anything and then weigh yourself at the end. If you lose more than 1% of your weight, you need to drink something. Or, drink a measured amount and then do the weight test (so you don't actually dehydrate as much). If you're still losing weight along with drinking, then you need to drink more.
Ideally, you should weight the same at the end of your exercise as at the beginning, for hydration sake.
I would rather have it and not need it then need it not not have it.. I vote for running with a bottle /belt for your training and practice your hydration/ nutrition on long bike run bricks. Get used to bringing a drink with you in your training and on race day you be ready what ever way you decide to race.. plus one on the pee test its a good indicator of how well you are hydrated
I wear my fuel belt for anything over an hour. If its hot (over 90, which is rarely) then pretty much any time. I don't even notice it and would rather have it than not since I sweat a lot.
tmin wrote:TryScott wrote:If it's cool outside, I don't worry about water unless I'm going 14+ miles. When it's hot I plan on getting water if I'm running more than 10 miles.I've run by parks with fountains, by my house, and I've driven out to drop off water bottles.
Once there was a time when I was dropping off water bottles before a long run. A lady driving by saw me hiding water bottles behind a bush and yelled "You litterer!!" and gave me the finger while driving passed me.
Were you able to come up with anything about her being in a car and polluting to yell back?
No, I had too many mixed emotions at the time. At first, confused, I wasn't sure of what she was yelling/ or why she was flipping me off. Then for a moment enlightened because I figured out what she said. And finally when I became angry, she was long gone.









Question for the training gurus.....
I train 6-7 days a week. I try to get enough rest. I eat as healthy as possible. And I drink almost exclusively...water. (occasional sprite or mello yellow at lunch. maybe 1-2 a week.) Boss buys cases of water for the office to drink throughout the work day.
I take water with me to the Y and leave it one end of the lane. I try to drink about once or twice during my 1hr swim.
I take 2-3 bike bottles with me on training rides over 2 hrs. (1-2 on shorter rides) I try to drink every 3-4 miles min. And I'm usually out of water the last 2-10mins of the ride.
However, if I'm running 5-6 miles or less I don't take a bottle with me on my nightly runs. I'm at most gone for an hour and I try to run after work when the sun has set. I find it awkward to carry water and run. I'm rarely thirsty on my runs, but sometimes I'll adjust my out and backs to take me by my house/car to drink if it's hot or a really long run.
Also, if I'm doing a brick, I drink more the last half of the ride to try to stay hydrated during my run. (usually 50 mins or less after the bike)
I don't feel dehydrated. I drink right before, during, and after workouts. (except my short runs)
So I longwindedly ask, is this really going to hurt anything? I dont' see it as a problem for sprints and oly's as these runs are shorter, but as I move to HIM and IM (within the next 18-24mos.) I want to avoid any foreseeable training mishaps.
Any of you HIM and IM vets have any suggestions for staying hydrated on runs over 1-2hrs without carrying a water bottle?