I suck at swimming!
Just concentrate on gliding through the water. And, honestly, don't worry too much about the swim. For many people, the swim is a mental game. It takes technique and fitness and everything, but if you're comfortable, then you'll do fine. Just don't worry about going fast and stuff, and just try to make your way smoothly through the water.
Good luck. Let us know how the trek towards a mile goes.
"The melting point of wax means nothing to me": Thrice
Definitely go with the coaching. Swimming is so much about technique. I hear that there are some great videos out there as well. Total Immersion Swimming?
I was in the same spot this January. I felt comfortable on the bike and run and considered myself to be in pretty good shape, and then I got in the pool. As I was struggling through the water the lifeguard actually said, "You're a runner aren't you, endurance out there doesn't mean endurance in here." It took me about 8 weeks to go from 1 lap to 42 laps (1.2 miles). Biggest advice I have is don't let the frustration set it. Keep your mind on the goal and get back in the pool tomorrow. Focus on technique and like someone told me, "Stop kicking so much."
+1 on getting a coach. Does your first tri involve an open-water swim? If so, find a group in your area that does open-water swims and start swimming with them asap. Swimming is largely technique + being comfortable in the water. Unfortunately, it also takes time. So be patient, it will come with practice and solid instruction.
I was in the same spot this January. I felt comfortable on the bike and run and considered myself to be in pretty good shape, and then I got in the pool. As I was struggling through the water the lifeguard actually said, "You're a runner aren't you, endurance out there doesn't mean endurance in here." It took me about 8 weeks to go from 1 lap to 42 laps (1.2 miles). Biggest advice I have is don't let the frustration set it. Keep your mind on the goal and get back in the pool tomorrow. Focus on technique and like someone told me, "Stop kicking so much."
Right. I definitely felt like I was kicking like a mad man. I actually read somewhere that to save energy you should stop kicking and just use your arms. But I couldn’t stop. I felt if I stopped kicking I would sink. I guess I’m just so used to using my legs when I bike.
You shouldn't stop kicking...but slow some and make it more rhythmic. Don't think of propelling yourself with the kick, instead think of the kick just being the follow through of the upper body motion. If you don't kick you won't rotate enough and you legs will sink too increasing the drag.
+1 on getting a coach. Does your first tri involve an open-water swim? If so, find a group in your area that does open-water swims and start swimming with them asap. Swimming is largely technique + being comfortable in the water. Unfortunately, it also takes time. So be patient, it will come with practice and solid instruction.
Yes, it is open water. I can imagine open water will be totally different than the pool. Finding a group sounds like a good idea. I think I will also sign up for a coaching session to help with my technique. I'm not really sure I even used a technique... I think my technique is try not to sink and make it to the other side of the pool.
Thanks for all the advice and encouragement.
Use the coaching. When you get more efficient in the water, you will kick less. The kick in triathlon more serves to keep you balanced and to keep your legs/hips high in the water. its not for a whole lot of propulsion. With my wetsuit on, I practically drag my legs.
I did my first tri on May 1. On my first swim at the end of November I was only able to do 1 lenghth of the pool before I had to stop. It's a different way of breathing and you need to get comfortable in the water. I began swimming 3 times a week and by January I was swimming a mile without stopping. My first Tri I swam the .9 mile in 33 min. Not great, but I had more then enough for the bike and run.
The advice I can give is to keep hitting the pool and you'll see your time improve, you'll become more comfortable and you'll begin to learn how to breath.
Good Luck
D
"To some extent, we are all labeled by what we're able to achieve. But more importantly, we are defined by what we attempt." --Scott Tinley
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+1 on the coach. Maybe just 1-2 lessons will work wonders for you and your confidence, form, endurance, etc. Then, it's just up to doing it.
+1 on not stopping kicking, but making it slower and not as much of a priority. I mainly kick when I'm breathing to give an example. The little tiny extra of the kick assists with any additional drag I may be creating when breathing.
Yes, swimming is vastly different than swimming or biking. One of the things I mainly notice is breathing. Swimming greatly improves both my swimming and biking because I don't have the freedom to breath when and where I want. I have to plan my breathing. My endurance in running and biking increases with the more I swim.
I did my first swim today at the pool, and after struggling through it I am even more nervous about the swim.
Give it some time... Remember when you first tried to run a mile, or 6? Biked 20 or 30mi? Don't get so discouraged after just one day, you can do it!
Getting a lesson is a good way to go, but don't be too hard on yourself. Just relax and build up your endurance, slowly. Running/biking endurance doesn't translate very much at all; I am a decent/above average swimmer and am a really slow runner, and I've been helping a friend with swimming who is having trouble and he is a much faster runner than myself. Be patient and you'll get there!
Master Swim Class from what I hear, if you can work into the scheduling.
We all suck at something in our sport. It is called a limiter. We ask ? like you did to get better. You can do it!
As others have said getting a coach for a few lessons and learning how to swim efficiently can make a huge difference. Imagine how much harder it would be running with your arms straight out instead of relaxed at your side. Swimming is unique in that if your technique is poor your performance really suffers and you will waste alot of extra energy.
Give it some time... Remember when you first tried to run a mile, or 6? Biked 20 or 30mi? Don't get so discouraged after just one day, you can do it!Getting a lesson is a good way to go, but don't be too hard on yourself. Just relax and build up your endurance, slowly. Running/biking endurance doesn't translate very much at all; I am a decent/above average swimmer and am a really slow runner, and I've been helping a friend with swimming who is having trouble and he is a much faster runner than myself. Be patient and you'll get there!
+1
Definitely take it SLOW if you're having trouble. If that plan is too much too soon, try breaking the distances down. For instance, do the sets in increments of 25 and do the recommended total for the day.
OTOH, the swim lessons will probably be a great kick start
Adam
Tri-ac
I think a lot of us have been there. There is so much technique involved and it certainly doesn't carry over from running.
Lessons or masters is a good idea. Don't get discouraged though, the one thing I remembered is how much faster I progressed in swimming (to the point of being comfortable with the distance, I'm still not that fast) compared to running even though I had past experience with running.
"Faster would be better!" -Captain Mal, Serenity-
+1 on getting a coach. Swimming is about 90% technique and 10% endurance and strength, as opposed to biking and running. The fittest athletes can struggle in the pool with poor technique. Also, kicking, done incorrectly, can actually detract from your stroke and cause you to sink worse. This is especially true if you are either A) Bending your knees too much when you kick and/or B) Not using flexible ankles when you kick. Most athletes I work with have one or both of these issues, and solving them suddenly allows them to kick moderately and not sink (along with fixing body positioning issues). A good coach should be able to take you to where you can comfortably swim the distance in a matter of weeks. Good luck!
Blue Skies, -Robin-
http://ironmom.blogspot.com/
Thanks for all the responses. I feel better now knowing others have been where I'm at, struggling at first. I'm sure it will eventually get easier like you all say. It was just a huge eye opener to realize how difficult swimming is when you are not used to it.
I actually swam again today... I was not any better than yesterday, but I am determined to keep at it. I made an appointment with a coach and I am excited about tackling a new challenge. Thanks again!
Jon
Determination is half the battle... glide and breath through the water. It is your friend! Keeps in the know on how it goes. Newbies can learn from you.
Yes, it is open water. I can imagine open water will be totally different than the pool.
I did my first tri in June (400m swim), and it was also my first open water swim (other than splashing around as a kid!).
Huge difference. Water was cold... I couldn't touch the bottom... I couldn't see anything... my technique was barely passable in the pool, but with all these new sensations it just fell apart on me. I really wish I'd hit the open water at least once before the triathlon!
So +1 on getting in some open water swimming if you can! I have a Sprint Tri in August with a 750m swim, I'm going to get together with a local group and even try out a wetsuit for the first time before it, just to be a bit more mentally prepared.
jono
Cold... Had a friend take cold showers for months prior to his race to adapt to the cold water. I suck it up. Pac Grove in Monterey, Ca you get out of the cold and get back in! It takes the breath away. To compbat any cold weather or swim put a thermos in your transition area with hot water. See the people envey you!
If you swim (struggle) 2 laps (50 m) on your first swim ... that is normal! If you did more that is great. Swimming endurance ramps up fast so don't worry, just keep at it!
Good luck....have fun with it!
I I decided to do the “Zero to 1 Mile in six weeks” (http://ruthkazez.com/ZeroTo1mile.html) plan just so I can feel comfortable about the distance.
I don't think that page is correct:
A FEW WORDS ABOUT TECHNIQUE: It is said by many that technique is everything, yet I've said very little here about it. I've noticed that most of the big problems of a beginner disappear on their own by the time they can swim a straight mile.
Are they serious? I can honestly say that having someone watch me and point out the issues, combined with assistance from forums like this, made a HUGE difference... if I'd just kept trying to go further hoping this would just go away, I'd be missing so much.
jono
Man, a straight mile seems a long way off. Nevertheless...
I feel like if I don't move fast enough I start sinking so I panic, swim fast, and get very tired. Any thoughts on that?
By the way, that girl in the TYR swimsuit ad scares me. She could be one of the Xmen.
I don't think that page is correct:Quote:A FEW WORDS ABOUT TECHNIQUE: It is said by many that technique is everything, yet I've said very little here about it. I've noticed that most of the big problems of a beginner disappear on their own by the time they can swim a straight mile.Are they serious? I can honestly say that having someone watch me and point out the issues, combined with assistance from forums like this, made a HUGE difference... if I'd just kept trying to go further hoping this would just go away, I'd be missing so much.
Uh yeah, that's just crazy. I could show you so many people who swim at our club who have the same terrible stroke year after year. And others who get coaching who go from 2:15 average 100's to 1:35 average 100's in a season. Some beginners will be able to rectify problems on their own. Some people are born with a higher aptitude for the water and much more body awareness than others. For most swimmers, coaching is a great way to improve their technique quickly and gain confidence in the water.
Blue Skies, -Robin-
http://ironmom.blogspot.com/
Coaching I can attest. Still a brick but the little bit of coaching I have had has quadrupled my abilities in the water. Wife still sits on the side of the pool laughing at me, and commenting on how she fails to understand how I get so winded swimming. Bike or Run and she eats dust. In the pool I get to about 75 meters now she will start swimming and finish 300 meters by the time I get to 150 meters.
Today she informed me that I needed to get my "Skinny A(*#" out of the water as it looks like my lower body is at a 45 degree angle. Then she said I could just gain a little rear end weight and it might help. Oh well I am going to keep trying and by george I will be able to swim 1500m by October I am certain. Just a little improvement at a time.
But long story short get someone that knows how to swim to help. It kept me from giving up on the tri's and converting to a duathlon.
Having loosely followed that program I can say it works (for me). Last April I never swam laps before. I got into the pool on my first day and barely made it across the pool once. It took many weeks to get into any form of 'laps' (the repeated action of going back and forth across the pool in succession). But, practice makes progress. I kept at it - 3 times a week - and slowly increased the volume.
I tend to agree a bit though with the author in that for the first few weeks you just need to make it across the pool. While I'm learning how incredibly important technique is now - I think if I were to try and learn all of the things I'm learning now those first few weeks I would have drown in too much information (or just simply drown).
To be clear - I think a coach is a VERY good way to go. But if you have any ability to read up a bit online, your first few weeks might be better spent self correcting a bit - and then getting a coach.
-Ray
Tri Blog: Http://dcrainmaker.blogspot.com
Another option is to take group lessons.
I started by taking "triathlon swimming lessons" from my local rec center. It was a great deal, something like $75 for 10 weeks of lessons. There were about 15 people in the class, so you didn't get much personalized attention, but just getting the instruction and going through the drills was a great starting point.
I relate to everything said here so far. When I first started swimming in January I was in great shape (or so I thought). Doesn't every runner think the pool will be a cinch? After 20 laps I got out of the pool and literally could not walk. My legs were like rubber. I tripped over my own two feet and noticed the 19 yr old life guard hiding a snicker. Now, here we are in July and I am easily doing 750m and transitioning to the bike with no problem. Stick with it. Like any other sport, endurance and skill come with perseverance.
However, I can not seem to find a swim coach. If my rec center offered anything even remotely close to a "triathlon swim lesson" I'd be all over it. But so far, I have not been able to find anyone offering this kind of instruction. My husband, a former swimmer, gives the best advice he can, but he is not a coach, so I am not sure I am improving. I can only assume my stroke is totally inefficient. My tri is Aug 3 so I am just going to go for it! Best of luck to you as well!
A few different thoughts on finding a swim coach:
Ask around the Y or a Masters Swim program. Sometimes you can find someone who understands tri swimming is different than swimming a 50m race.
Ask other triathletes in your area. Chances are you will find a few options. Some even advertise at local races so you might find their information in your goodie bag.
You can always go here: http://www.usatriathlon.org/Coaches/FindACoach.aspx and put in your location and see who turns up.
A coach (assuming you can afford it) makes a HUGE difference overall but especially in the swim. Way more effective than books or tapes - in my opinion.
I feel like if I don't move fast enough I start sinking so I panic, swim fast, and get very tired. Any thoughts on that?
Today she informed me that I needed to get my "Skinny A(*#" out of the water as it looks like my lower body is at a 45 degree angle. Then she said I could just gain a little rear end weight and it might help. Oh well I am going to keep trying and by george I will be able to swim 1500m by October I am certain. Just a little improvement at a time.
I think that both of you should try some floating during your swim training. Just the "dead man's" float will help emmensely for you. Even starting the floating just on your back to see how long you can go without having to turn up to breath (as with the "dead man's" float). If you can master the float, you won't have any problem with sinking or swimming at a 45 degree angle.
Thanks iamtb13. I will give those suggestions a try.
BugahaRob wrote:I feel like if I don't move fast enough I start sinking so I panic, swim fast, and get very tired. Any thoughts on that?cutiger95 wrote:Today she informed me that I needed to get my "Skinny A(*#" out of the water as it looks like my lower body is at a 45 degree angle. Then she said I could just gain a little rear end weight and it might help. Oh well I am going to keep trying and by george I will be able to swim 1500m by October I am certain. Just a little improvement at a time.I think that both of you should try some floating during your swim training. Just the "dead man's" float will help emmensely for you. Even starting the floating just on your back to see how long you can go without having to turn up to breath (as with the "dead man's" float). If you can master the float, you won't have any problem with sinking or swimming at a 45 degree angle.
That makes sense. I actually met with a coach yesterday and it helped quite a bit. She had me do a drill where I just glide/float on one side while kicking to the other side of the pool. The first couple times were a little difficult because I felt like I was sinking and had to kick really hard. But then as soon as I figured out that if I just lay flat in the water and trust that I will float and also didn't try to hurry, it almost seemed effortless. It also helped me feel more comfortable in the water.
I definitely need more practice but I can tell if I keep swimming it will become easier.
It worked!
Despite the repeated "what the hell are you doing, Rob"s, as I started to get a hang of the float I felt like I could glide more. I feel like I have a lot more energy and I was able to take less rest time on my intervals. Way to go azmojo804! Thanks!
Great job! :)















I decided to try my first triathlon in September. I am just going to do the sprint distance just to see if I like it. I feel pretty confident about the bike and run sections, but I am pretty nervous about the swim.
I did my first swim today at the pool, and after struggling through it I am even more nervous about the swim. I decided to do the “Zero to 1 Mile in six weeks” (http://ruthkazez.com/ZeroTo1mile.html) plan just so I can feel comfortable about the distance. I really struggled through the first day of it and I am pretty discouraged about my swimming ability.
I feel like I am in good shape. I have been training for local bike races and feel my endurance is better than it has been in a while. Maybe that just doesn’t transfer over to swimming?
There is an aquatic center here that offers half hour sessions with a coach. I’m thinking I could use the help. Think it’s worth it? Any advice on swimming is greatly appreciated… I also just needed to vent about how bad I sucked today.
Thanks,
Jon