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In the past when I've trained for IM's or HIM's I lose a few pounds and reach a body fat of just under 20%. In tri training my body gets pretty lean overall.

Since IMA last summer, I've been ultrarunning, and have my first 100K coming up in two weeks. But I'm the heaviest I've been in five years! I've actually gained 5 pounds, and it doesn't seem to be lean muscle. My Tanita scale reports a body fat of 23%!

I'm running 30-50 miles a week, along with some cross-training. I'm not eating more (or less) than I usually do in IM training (2000-3000 cal per day depending on the training schedule). I have a very clean diet generally speaking (chocolate is healthy, right?)...no fried food, caffeine, alcohol, red meat, etc. The only difference is that I'm not lifting weights regularly (but I am doing body-weight work).

How is that possible??? I was on a Slow-Twitch forum and saw that several other women have encountered the same issue. So I'm wondering if any of you (especially women) are dealing with this. I'm freaking out of course, because I want to be as light as possible for this monster run coming up. I've searched the 'net and have found very little info on weight gain and endurance sports. I'd love to hear your experience, thoughts or suggestions.

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jsk85 posted 8 weeks ago.

In regards to not lifting weights, the high calorie burn from running long distances could be atrophying a good deal of your muscle mass...your body has to get the calories to burn from somewhere and in higher intensity workouts, fat doesn't burn efficiently enough. So your overall muscle mass may be dropping due to not lifting weights to maintain them. This in turn will lower your overall metabolic rate, particularly at rest since muscle mass is the largest calorie burner. Just a thought from the overall perspective, not particularly a female viewpoint. (Some of my info might be incorrect, I'm an engineer just read a lot on nutrition and training)

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Anton posted 8 weeks ago.

+1 with a note:
It is better to go into Vermont with a few extra pounds. Your stored reserves will come in handy.
In the past, when I've gone into an ultra or IM feeling "light" I suffer. With a few extra pounds, as many as five, I feel fine ,come out and recover better.

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Star posted 8 weeks ago.

Yeah, I get the "stored energy" thing. And I have the endurance, but I FEEL heavy and flabby. Carrying around more pounds isn't what I had in mind for climbing hills though.

So, how many times a week are you lifting weights, and at what point in the taper do you stop lifting?

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Anton posted 8 weeks ago.

I lift twice...consists of pullups, squats then a bumping workout with the kettlebells. No heavy weight, just lots of reps to failure. Endurance stuff.
I stop about two weeks out from anything major and just stop the week of if it's a short event.
I'm sure you're not heavy and flabby, but I understand you feel that way...I call them FDU days (Fat Dumb and Ugly days) Hang in there...maybe you're suffering from "tapertoses." That dreaded feeling that everyone goes through when they start tapering for a major event. Remember now IS NOT THE TIME to get in another huge workout hoping it will make you feel svelte.

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TriSooner posted 8 weeks ago.

One issue that many women face when starting to train for a marathon is a noticeable weight gain. You would think that with the ever increasing amount of running, they would be dropping pounds without any real effort, but often it’s the exact opposite. What gives?

The main factor that contributes to weight gain is that with all this extra running comes an extreme appetite that often cannot seem to be satisfied.

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http://www.thefinalsprint.com/2007/08/why-marathon-training-might-mean-weight-gain/

If you google "weight gain marathon training" this topic has come up several times. Most of the articles and links talk about gaining muslce mass, not loosing them. Not lifting weights isn't the cause.

Runner's World
http://forums.runnersworld.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/960108738/m/9671047841

About.com
http://running.about.com/b/2008/03/05/marathon-training-and-weight-gain.htm

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nyfan21 posted 8 weeks ago.

Star-

The way your body is now is due to the things you have been doing over the last 12 months. So if you feel flabby; then either cut back on the calorie intake or increase exercise or both. If I want to lean down; I skip dinner and use a meal replacement. 23% bf is a little high; that may not be good for the knees. Lifting weights will burn fat believe it or not. I lift 6 days a week; but I have no life. Diet is a huge part of bf% so just nail that part down seems like you are doing a ton of endurance training.
-M

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KitKat posted 8 weeks ago.

Are you sure you're eating enough? When I got my RMR tested I learned I was in starvation mode, even though I didn't feel like it. I upped my caloric intake by 300-600 calories depending on training day and ended up losing 5lbs over 4 months.

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cogirl3 posted 8 weeks ago.

Are you sure your not retaining alot of water? Is is that time of the month? An easy thing to do would be to cut out alot of salt from your diet and you will likely lose water weight, which may make you feel not as heavy. Of course you shouldn't do this right before the race though since you need all the salt you can get to get through the race.
1+ on KitKat's post. Alot of women don't eat enough. I'm not sure how old you are, how much you weigh, but I would guess that 2K-3K calories is not enough for somone doing as much running as you. A women who does NOTHING needs at least 1500 calories, so you throw in your 10 miles a day or so running plus any other cross training. I would try eating at least 3000 K a day and see what happens. You might see the weight drop like KitKat did.

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KitKat posted 8 weeks ago.

cogirl3 wrote:
A women who does NOTHING needs at least 1500 calories

Hehe... and in my case needs 1815

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kylie posted 8 weeks ago.

Yeah I often find if I up my cals a bit I start to drop weight. Actually, I also found most came off after my ultra this year and kept dropping with less long long runs.

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Anton posted 8 weeks ago.

Nice links Sooner...

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Star posted 8 weeks ago.

Hey, thank you for the responses and the links. First, I don't think that *increasing* the amount of "exercise" (its not really exercise anymore, is it?) or decreasing cals is the answer, as I believe those are at their limits already.

I have done some calculations for my body weight (135 now!) and height (5'5") and age (36 y.o.) to figure out how many cals I should be taking in, especially carbs...but gosh dang! Some of those numbers are outrageously high on the longer training days (like 3000-5000 cals per day, and 600g-800g of carbs per day!?!). YIKES! That seems like a LOT of food. But if you're telling me I should eat more (healthy stuff, of course) then ok...its just counterintuitive.

And don't worry...I'll be smart about what I do for the next two weeks, then make some changes AFTER I'm recovered from Vermont. I appreciate the LOVE :)

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cogirl3 posted 8 weeks ago.

Star wrote:
Hey, thank you for the responses and the links. First, I don't think that *increasing* the amount of "exercise" (its not really exercise anymore, is it?) or decreasing cals is the answer, as I believe those are at their limits already.

I have done some calculations for my body weight (135 now!) and height (5'5") and age (36 y.o.) to figure out how many cals I should be taking in, especially carbs...but gosh dang! Some of those numbers are outrageously high on the longer training days (like 3000-5000 cals per day, and 600g-800g of carbs per day!?!). YIKES! That seems like a LOT of food. But if you're telling me I should eat more (healthy stuff, of course) then ok...its just counterintuitive.

And don't worry...I'll be smart about what I do for the next two weeks, then make some changes AFTER I'm recovered from Vermont. I appreciate the LOVE :)

Yes I know it seems wrong being that you want to lose weight, but trust us! You need more calories! So many women underfeed their bodies to be thin and it is really the worst thing you can do for your health, energy and your body. Likely when you are giving your body enough calories, your performance will improve with running and tri also. Good luck at Vermont!

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KitKat posted 8 weeks ago.

+1 ^

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kylie posted 8 weeks ago.

I'm working on the more calories right now, too! Gotta love class running long and someone bringing in chips and donuts ;) Ok I know... really I usually focus on healthier ones, but we all have the less healthy days.

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brittda posted 8 weeks ago.

Maybe THAT is my problem..... I lost about 50 pounds with WW about 6 years ago but after a few stress fractures and time off running I am 10-15 lbs over where I would like to be. I still count my points but have a problem making it work with heavy exercise when I stay in my range and mentally I cannot bring myself to eat back the points I exercise (like they tell you ) because when I do, it still does not come off---am I not eating enough back?

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KitKat posted 8 weeks ago.

I highly suggest anyone concerned with caloric intake vs expenditure to get their RMR tested. I used to use those online calculators and they were waaaaay off.

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Ironmom posted 8 weeks ago.

KitKat, where did you go to get that tested, and how much did it cost? I think with my situation (I only have half a thyroid), I would benefit a lot from knowing my exact rate.

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KitKat posted 8 weeks ago.

Hey Robin,
I went to Mark Kendall at Speedshot Racing http://www.speedshotracing.com/default.asp
I think it was $175 for Vo2 Bike & Run & RMR testing. He's a reputable coach and has calibrated equipment.

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Ironmom posted 8 weeks ago.

KitKat wrote:
Hey Robin,
I went to Mark Kendall at Speedshot Racing http://www.speedshotracing.com/default.asp
I think it was $175 for Vo2 Bike & Run & RMR testing. He's a reputable coach and has calibrated equipment.

Thanks!

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Star posted 8 weeks ago.

OK, I'm laughing at myself as I sit here at work and look at my desk...there's a baggie of pretzels (salt for my midnight run tonight!), a banana, a couscous/chickpea/date/pine nut/carrot salad, an apple, some carrots and a big bottle of water. I also snagged some whole-grain bagels (to take home) that someone brought in from the Fresh Market. And I'm considering those animal crackers in the vending machine too. Niiice.....

Oh, and I had my RMR tested by a local sports massage/physical therapist group for around $50.

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cuds posted 8 weeks ago.

nyfan21 wrote:
23% bf is a little high; that may not be good for the knees.
-M

I just have to say that 23% body fat is not a little high. It's well within healthy for a woman!! You have to remember that women are meant to have a higher bf% than men.