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A near crash

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started by john_grieco on July 1, 2008

Was riding along on a sort of busy street this past weekend. (right side of the road and close to where the road meets the sidewalk). I was traveling at around 21mph on a pretty flat road approaching an intersection with a traffic light. Next thing I know a guy driving in the opposite direction is wanting to make a left turn and turns right in front of me! It happened so fast that my only option was to slam on my brakes go into a long skid, while the car is coming right in front of me. I watched him take his turn while nearly crashing into the passenger side of his car. I kept my hands on the brakes and prepared for the worst and somehow managed to just miss the car. I literally watched the rear bumper pass in front of my front tire with a few inches of clearance. He zipped along up the side road and I was left skidding across this intersection, up onto the curb and finally came to rest in some shrubs and woodchip mulch.

Up to this point, I've never had an accident with a car - As I collected myself in the shrubs, I had all of these thoughts go through my head. What if I was going a mile faster or didn't break as quickly. After I got past the "I could have been seriously mangled", I started to think about what I could have done differently to keep myself safe.

I felt like I could not turn right (big curb). I felt like I could not go left because of the road traffic.

Any advice?

"Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go."
-T. S. Eliot

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hipfan posted 8 weeks ago.

I generally try to ride where there are very few intersections for this very reason. But when driving, I get really uncomfortable going through an intersection without first seeing the oncoming drivers see me. Even if I have the right of way.

Unfortunately, we can't control others, and I have to admit as a driver there have been times when I have done some really bone headed things that could have ended up really badly. I think part of it is that driving a car is so easy, that it is easy to be distracted or miss things like cycleists or pedestrians. I'm not saying I'm a bad driver, but everybody is capable of a brain fart.

I hope that the driver went to check on you after you hit the bushes, and I also hope that you are alright.

Cheers.

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bradaellis posted 8 weeks ago.

It is unfortunate to hear what happened to you on your ride. Before tri's, I rode 5 times a week and now with the other disciplines I ride 4 times a week. Early on when I started to ride, a retired professional cyclist suggest to me that as cars either pass from behind or in front of me like what happened to you, look at the license plate and memorize the tag. I do it to every car that passes me whether they are close to me or not. I know it sounds like it is impossible to do but after a few cars pass you and you start running the tags in your head you will be surprised that you can remember them. This came in handy when on one ride, a silver audi a8 (won't give the tage), side view mirror hit my left hand. As my front wheen was turning into the curb, I glanced over and got her plate. My front carbon fiber wheel exploded into the curb and I went flying about 25 feet into a hedge row. After I gathered myself, I called the police (they driver left the scene and didn't check on me) and reported the accident. I gave them the license plate and they found the driver. The driver denied the incident and since the mirror hit my hand and not the handle bars (thus scratching the paint and having evidence of the hit), they let the individual go. None the less, IF IT HAD SCRATCHED THE CAR, I WOULD HAVE HAD HER ASS! I know it is not much but I hope it helps.

Ride Safely,

Brad

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M posted 8 weeks ago.

Every time you get on your bike to ride in traffic, remind yourself that you are invisible, and ride that way. When you approach an intersection, look for drivers who could cause trouble and watch to see what they are doing...the left-turner, the person looking to turn into your path from the right, the person in the lane beside you who wants to turn right in front of you. Drivers may not be totally inattentive, but they're looking for oncoming cars, so they won't see you. Have your hands on the brakes to shorten your reaction time. If you have any doubts about whether they've seen you, assume they haven't. I do this automatically now after years of motorcycling, and it has paid off on the bicycle a few times, too.

I'm glad you were able to avoid the collision!

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Ultrarunner posted 8 weeks ago.

First of all I'm glad you are OK. I live in a relatively unfriendly biking city and I have been hit (T-boned) by a car before. I act as though no one sees me at all and ride very defensively. I also try and ride on secluded roads and at off peak times. The biggest thing though is to expect everything. I also ride without a very bright yellow colored shirt. Be safe out there.

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TriSooner posted 8 weeks ago.

That's typical. Cars don't expect cyclists to be cruising at 20+ so they misjudge the time they have to make the turn. Happens all the time.

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Toothless posted 8 weeks ago.

In my neighborhood one of the up-and-coming high school cyclists had this happen to him but he was unable to stop and went through the winshield of a Ford Explorer. AFter a week in the hospital he should make a full recovery but will have a lot of scars.

I sometimes commute to work through busy Denver and I ride with my hands on the hoods ready to brake at any moment. As others have already posted, you have to act like cars can't see you.

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cjhoffmn posted 8 weeks ago.

I agree very much with the posts about being visible. I've ridden alot in NYC and basically got used to the fact that I'd rather be annoying and obvious than hidden and polite. I've done some riding that is scarily close to cars and the only comfort I could always find was riding such that I never made assumptions about cars and never riding into a place where I couldn't bail out.

I also ride assuming the driver just doesn't see me. Not purposefully, as I think Trisooner has it right - we look so out of place, and obviously slower than the cars, that its really easy to overlook us and/or misjudge our speed or both.

I did once have to stop quick and pulled a wheely on my MT Bike onto the the trunk of a NYC taxi cab. That was awkward when the passenger got out to get their bags out of the trunk and I had to get my bike off the back first...

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jonovision_man posted 8 weeks ago.

The exact same thing happened to me, except I plowed into the side of his truck... I barely had a chance to touch the brakes, so I was going around 30km/h.

The result: (you don't need to be on facebook to see the album)
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=6423&l=54dea&id=542111503

Lucky I was wearing my helmet! It cracked, taking a lot of the impact, but I had a concussion anyway... blacked out very briefly, and my pinky fingers are permanently bent as a result. Other than that the injuries all healed up.

I just had zero time to react, it was a very sudden move, I don't think he signaled or anything... I didn't expect it at all. I was going in a straight line with the right of way, and was over to the right side like we're supposed to be.

I do all my riding in the country now... I'll leave the bike commuting for people braver than me. Too many close calls, and then the accident, not worth it.

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ChunkyB posted 8 weeks ago.

I ride on some pretty busy roads with lots of lights, and I try and make sure I make eye contact with drivers before I go through green lights and there are no cars next to me. I know it's hard to tell if the person actually saw you, but you can usually tell if they're slowing down or whatever. However, I still almost crap my pants every time I go through an intersection like this.

I think there are people out there who hate cyclists, but I think most people just don't see us. When they're sitting there waiting to go, they wait for all the cars to be gone, and figure it's clear. I think cyclists definitely have to be very defensive when they ride on roads, and as your story proves, this still doesn't save you in all situations.

Honestly, thank heavens you're okay. Try not to let it freak you out too much, and get back out there on your bike.

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TriMyBest posted 8 weeks ago.

I am new to cycling, but have been a motorcyclist for years, and most of you are right on, but one thing I disagree with is that making eye contact means the driver saw you. Even on my Harley with loud pipes, drivers will look right at you, then proceed to turn right in front of you. Do not trust eye contact as confirmation that they know you're there. I think many drivers zone out behind the wheel, and unless you're another car or truck, you sometimes don't register as even existing.

I always assume that the car at the stop sign on a side street is going to pull out, and that if the car coming the opposite direction slows even a little it is to turn across my lane. When I recognize any situation like this, my hands immediately hover over the brakes and I look for the best place to bail out. We can't eliminate the danger completely, only improve our odds of walking away WHEN the inevitable happens.

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john_grieco posted 8 weeks ago.

Thanks for all of your thoughts/strategies on how to keep cycling and to keep out of harms way. The overriding theme to be as noticeable as possible is one that I've got to keep at the top of my list along with staying alert every moment (I blame myself a little for coming as close as I did thinking things like, "maybe you were a little zoned out and should have seen the car sooner", etc.).

I've also added the psychology 101 approach to my riding - praise drivers for doing the right thing, even if it should be expected. For example, when I pass an intersection and a driver could have come straight out and t-boned me but actually stopped and waited, I wave and smile, to thank him/her for their kindness and so on..

Definitely try to keep right, but some roads have the sewer grates with the huge slots that will swallow a narrow wheel and take you down so again, alertness of cars behind and grates in front of you is more important than cadence, speed, HR rate, power, and all other metrics that we measure our rides from moment to moment on..

"Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go."
-T. S. Eliot

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jsk85 posted 8 weeks ago.

john_grieco wrote:

Definitely try to keep right, but some roads have the sewer grates with the huge slots that will swallow a narrow wheel and take you down so again, alertness of cars behind and grates in front of you is more important than cadence, speed, HR rate, power, and all other metrics that we measure our rides from moment to moment on..

Yes indeed...

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azmojo804 posted 8 weeks ago.

I feel bad wearing the yellow biking jersey, but don't, do to safety. I want to be as noticable as possible. And, like you do, I smile and wave to the polite drivers.

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vistring posted 8 weeks ago.

Well I almost got taken out today. Another thing that is dangerous besides sidewalks, trials, is BIKE LANES. I had car with no signal on pull over to the right into the bike lane while I was in it. Luckily I can be very loud a few "YO, YO!, LOOK !! LOOK!!," got his attention enough for him to leave about a 1 foot gap between me and the curb. I was about to jump on to side walk until I noticed a nice fire hydrant blocking my jump. Bike lanes always scare me, I don't really get them, it is an extra blind spot for drivers.

Sorry you crashed, I have been there before too. One time I will have to let Trifuelers know about my crash, a rabid raccoon, and how I had 5 emergency vehicles at my crash site. :)

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slammy posted 8 weeks ago.

I've been in several situations with the car passing me and then turning right or something like that, so I øve learned now, that if the road isn't too big (like a small side road in town), and I don't feel it's safe for a car to pass me, I ride in the middle of the lane (after seeing if any cars are right behind me of course), and then stay there until I feel safe riding in the side of the road again. This way the cars can't avoid seeing you, and I feel it's a way to tell the driver that they shouldn't pass right now.
I do this most when the road is really crappy in the side where we should be driving, but I prefer to piss of a person or two than falling under their car.

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justjames posted 8 weeks ago.

Glad you were able to react in time. Like others have said, cyclists and motorcyclists have similar problems with traffic and your situation happens a lot with motorcycles. The Motorcycle Safety Foundation and many DMVs have traffic tips (like watch out for turning cars) for motorcyclists which are applicable to bicycles. Their website has a lot of good info: msf-usa.org

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Sully800 posted 8 weeks ago.

That's another good point slammy. If there is not room for a driver to safely pass you, then take the lane so they don't have a choice. If you stay on the side of the road someone will inevitably try to pass when it's not safe and that can easily cause an accident. I do this on narrow or crowded roads, but also on windy wooded roads. If you are going 20+mph and the speed limit is 30-35 it will take a while for the car to pass you. If it's windy and lined with trees visibility of oncoming cars is most likely very poor. The car tries to pass you, gets on your left side and then sees an oncoming car and swerves back. Be ready to avoid this situation when it starts since you will see the oncoming car first, but best of all take the lane and don't make it an option. When the road straightens or visibility improves (or the speed limit is 45+) then get back on the side of the road.

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azstinger11 posted 7 weeks ago.

I take riding in traffic for granted here in tucson. There are tons of cyclists and almost all of the roads have nice big bike lanes. The sheer number of cyclists really seems to help most drivers pay attention to us, however there are always tragic accidents or near misses such as yours. Defiantly just do all you can do be visible and vigilant. Very glad to hear that you are not seriously hurt after your near miss. Ride safe everyone.

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