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started by J.Michael on June 24, 2008

Anyone do this? I mean any Ironmen champs or seasoned professionals?

I'm sure I can't be the only person in the world training to get to an Ironman by veggie power. Am I?

I eat a varied diet of carbs, protein, and fiber. I take a good multivitamin, (only pill I take, and I hate the fact it's a pill)

Most of my protein comes from soy, peanuts, almonds, tofu, some milk, veggies, rice, bread, olive oil, beans, ect.

What can I do to ensure my protein intake is at optimal levels for continuing enhanced performance?

I also take the occasional protein drink or bar (whey or soy) when I'm unsure of my daily uptake.

Am I missing anything? Any tri training sources that you'd recommend?

Thanks.

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cherelli posted 10 weeks ago.

Have you read Brendan Braziers "The Thrive Diet"? It describes how to be active on a vegan diet. It sounds like you're eating pretty healthy and getting enough protein. Meat/animal products (incl eggs) contain the complete amino acid profile, so then being a vegetarian you just need to work out how to eat all your amino acids each day. Complete protein combinations can be: brown rice and sunflower seeds, soybeans and rice, beans/legumes with corn or rice, peas and some form of wheat, etc (all spiced up with some real flavour of course!!). General theory is 1g protein/kg body weight, up it a bit during heavy training...hope that helps a bit.

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KitKat posted 10 weeks ago.

Dave Scott became a vegetarian and I'm sure he has a book on it.

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beads1985 posted 10 weeks ago.

If you are an endurance athlete you should aim for about 100 grams of lean protein if you are about 150 pounds.

I do eat meat but most of my protiem is thru non meat products such as skim milk, yogurt, beans, etc.

You can do it.

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mdittfurth posted 10 weeks ago.

I am not a pro by any stretch. But I have been doing tris about 6-7 years. This year I went vegetarian for the most part. That is, if chicken noodle soup has some chunks of chicken in it, I don't sweat that. I eat fish 1-2 x weekly-no beef. And I have a pretty good idea that I am getting enough protein because I track what I eat (Fitday). But, the real acid test is my health , how I feel and train and that has actually improved. 2008 is a great year for my training thus far, and for some reason (not sure it is related) my heat tolerance has even improved. I seem to feel stronger, less sluggish, more alert, recover well and can handle an even larger training load.....and I will be 65 years old in December.

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TriSooner posted 10 weeks ago.

Not a pro or top age grouper, but vegetarian and have finished a few Ironmans. I think it (being veg) works great for endurance training because all I want to eat is carbs anyways.

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olivestri posted 10 weeks ago.

our horses are vegitarian - all they eat is grass, occassionally grain, and some garlic to keep flies away. they are pretty strong.

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J.Michael posted 10 weeks ago.

olivestri wrote:
our horses are vegitarian - all they eat is grass, occassionally grain, and some garlic to keep flies away. they are pretty strong.

I use garlic as a deterrent also......that and powerful BO. (jk)

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tri-ac posted 10 weeks ago.

i don't know how veggies do it. it seems like a lot of work to avoid the direct amino acid sources supplied by meat, but more power to you!

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J.Michael posted 10 weeks ago.

tri-ac wrote:
i don't know how veggies do it. it seems like a lot of work to avoid the direct amino acid sources supplied by meat, but more power to you!

I wouldn't say it's "a lot" of work, but it does take a little bit of planning.

However, since I eat a lot of foods raw (a big no no when it comes to animal protein), I save cooking/prep time.
Plus, I can eat almost anywhere, as my food tastes as good hot or cold. (most times, some soups and rice dishes are best hot for maximum flavor)

Also, I eat a much more diverse diet now. I've tried and eaten foods that I'd never even heard of, much less consumed.

For me at least, the benefits outweigh the drawbacks. I got me out of my old, tired, familiar ways and on to something new. I feel better. I look better (skin and age, not that I'm old or anything), and I eat more nutrient rich foods more often. I'm never what you might call hungry. I tend to eat 4-8 times a day now.

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theShiba posted 10 weeks ago.

olivestri wrote:
our horses are vegitarian - all they eat is grass, occassionally grain, and some garlic to keep flies away. they are pretty strong.

joking, right?

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Ironmom posted 10 weeks ago.

I trained for 20 years as a total vegetarian, and the last 3 years as a non-veggie. I couldn't keep my iron stores up (esp. training for the HIM and IM distance as a vegetarian) and so I had to start eating meat finally. But when I was veggie I just made sure to really keep a close eye on my protein intake, shooting for about 100 grams a day during intense training. Also make sure you're getting enough B-12 and iron. If you do milk, yogurt, eggs, etc. it's easier - especially if you can get your milk and eggs from local grass-fed animals. You get a lot more of the essential vitamins, minerals, amino acids, protein, Omega-3's, etc. that way.

I know that it works for some people to train as a veggie, but I would also keep an eye out for signs that it's not working for you. Some people are obligate carnivores (or more accuately obligate omnivores), and others are not, depending on their heritage. This is something I didn't know until I suffered through many years of poorer health as a vegetarian.

Some info:

Very-long-chain fatty acids have 20 to 24 carbon atoms. They tend to be highly unsaturated, with four, five or six double bonds. Some people can make these fatty acids from EFA's, but others, particularly those whose ancestors ate a lot of fish, lack enzymes to produce them. These "obligate carnivores" must obtain them from animal foods such as organ meats, egg yolks, butter and fish oils. The most important very-long-chain fatty acids are dihomo-gamma-linolenic acid (DGLA) with 20 carbons and three double bonds; arachidonic acid (AA) with 20 carbons and four double bonds; eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) with 20 carbons and five double bonds; and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) with 22 carbons and six double bonds. All of these except DHA are used in the production of prostaglandins, localized tissue hormones that direct many processes in the cells. In addition, AA and DHA play important roles in the function of the nervous system.29

I discovered that my body particularly could not be healthy as a vegetarian, although obviously there are many people that it works well for. So I would make sure you're getting a good balance of proteins, lots of iron, and keep an eye out for any sign that your body is being depleted.

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beads1985 posted 10 weeks ago.

That is some detailed info Ironmom.
Interesting how you may be genetically predisposed to have to consume meat to get your protein.

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swimmer52 posted 10 weeks ago.

You know, just yesterday someone compared my training to the conditioning of a horse...

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J.Michael posted 10 weeks ago.

beads1985 wrote:
That is some detailed info Ironmom.
Interesting how you may be genetically predisposed to have to consume meat to get your protein.

+1 to Ironmom. That is pretty a heavy biology lesson there. I would've never guessed that some people are more geneticlly predisposed to require protein from a certain source either.

I've been training sans meat for about 9 months now, and I haven't noticed any negative effects to date. I have been keeping an eye on Iron, B12, and Protein, just to make sure I don't start to get any deficiencies. (sp?)

I don't know if it's just the quality of my traning or diet or both, but for the last 9 months I feel great.

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olivestri posted 10 weeks ago.

i am down with this genetic thing. look at all the populations in the world who, when they are denied access to their traditional foods, have problems with diet - usually diabetes. closest example to home is American Indians.

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bluebirdbiker posted 10 weeks ago.

Ironmom is right the key for veg heads is to intake protein. For optimal development it is key to get 1g/lb of body mass (i.e., if you weigh 160lbs, you should be intaking a minimum of 160g of protein a day). It makes a BIG difference to performance after a soild month of doing this. The results are definitely visible. The best sorces of protein are in whey powder and soy. Each meal of the six in a day should be WITH some protein. Counting at the start is a very good way to make sure you get enough. www.fitday.com is a good online tool to count these calories. Good luck.

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Donna posted 9 weeks ago.

My coach is huge on protein intake and in terms of meat, I only eat fish. I weigh 132 and Im supposed to take about 150 grams of protein (because I've been trying to lose weight so have been on a deficit so I've increased my protein intake so as not to lose muscle). Anyway, I've found a number of good daily based protein sources including having 2 protein shakes a day. Try Fage Greek yogurt-in the 2% version you get 19 grams of protein per serving (and it's low in sugar unlike most yogurt). It's expensive but really good. Also, I go through cottage cheese like nobody's business. You can do it. Do you think you could eat wild caught fish?

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Ironmom posted 9 weeks ago.

bluebirdbiker wrote:
The best sorces of protein are in whey powder and soy.

I'll have to disagree with you on this one BBB. Soy is a known thyroid inhibitor, and intaking too much of it can seriously muck with your body. Several years ago, after becoming a vegan, I switched most of my former dairy consumption to soy - soy milk, soy yogurt, etc. I ended up with thyroid cysts, and eventually thyroid surgery, and now I'm on thyroid meds for the rest of my life (not to mention maintaining an even metabolism with 1/2 of a thyroid is very tricky). I am not supposed to eat any soy at all now. Another friend who just had a breast tumor diagnosed was also told to stay away from soy from her doctor since soy is an estrogen-mimic and mucks with those hormones too. A little soy is not a bad thing, but eating it as the bulk of your protein can be downright dangerous.

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bluebirdbiker posted 9 weeks ago.

S'ok Mom. For some it matters but not for others. If you're a veg head then soy (if you can take it) is good.

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Ironmom posted 9 weeks ago.

bluebirdbiker wrote:
S'ok Mom. For some it matters but not for others. If you're a veg head then soy (if you can take it) is good.

Well, I'll just respectfully disagree here. I think small amounts of soy probably aren't going to kill you, especially in a relatively whole, natural form (like cooked edameme pods). But the extracted soy products that are out there are, I think, by and large incredibly dangerous to consume in any quantities, by anyone. With the advent of soy products has come an incredible spike in thyroid disorders and thyroid cancers, and believe me as an athlete you really don't want to disrupt your entire metabolic system. Soybeans are easy to grow and cheap to turn into high-protein items such as protein powder, protein bars, soymilk, and veggie hot dogs. The soy lobby has relentlessly pushed them as a health food, but doctors and especially endocrinologists see the negative outcomes of soy. It's hard to get the word out when the soy lobby is such a huge force, however.

Even as a vegetarian, once I learned (the hard way) the problems associated with soy consumption, I found other sources for my protein.

More info: http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/

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TriOnLife posted 8 weeks ago.

I was a vegetarian when I started this sport (although I did eat fish).

This year I started training for a HIM and I started eating meat and I lost 15 pounds.

Of course I have to deal with the grossness that is meat but oh well.

Anyhow - whey protein powder is your friend. I use Dymatize Iso-100 which blends well and tastes fine. I highly recommend supplementing your diet with protein powder (especially as a recovery drink) when you are training hard and when you are not!

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Star posted 8 weeks ago.

Check out Brendon Brazier's "Thrive Diet.' He's Vegan...I can't go that far, but he has some good info about being a pro triathlete/distance runner and veganism.

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