crazy shifter setup... makes me want to consider it on my tarmac
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ChunkyB posted 9 weeks ago.
here's the link from above.
I've seen plenty of people do this, but it doesn't turn a tri bike into a road bike. The main difference between a tri bike and a road bike is the frame (geometry, shape, stiffness, weight, etc.). Although that is kind of surprising, because the frame in that picture looks like a tri frame.
But I don't really understand why this makes it like owning a tri bike and a road bike. They're almost identical to normal tri-bar brakes, it's just that the shifters are on the end of the bull horns instead of the aero bars. I think you normally just see this when people are trying to convert their road bike to a tri bike, and they don't want to just get clip-on aero bars, but they also don't want to pay for a whole new component group.
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jhudalla posted 9 weeks ago.
yeah... I'm just considering converting my tarmac into a tri bike. it has bascially the same or very similar geometry as the new transition -> see sworks tarmac. If I could get a different seat post, saddle and some new handle bars, I think I could do the ol'swicherou without too much trouble. And back if need be. The lady friend is dropping $4000 on a new tribike and that just makes me wince a little bit.
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ChunkyB posted 9 weeks ago.
Okay, I get it now. I've definitely seen plenty of people do this, and it seems to work just fine. I don't know what it gets you versus having clip-ons no your drop bars though. I would prefer some nice clip-ons because you don't lose all of your possible hand positions you get with drop bars. But I guess bull horns are more aerodynamic.
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jhudalla posted 9 weeks ago.
true. all of the pros at escape from alcatraz that were riding road bikes had the clipons.
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ChunkyB posted 9 weeks ago.
jhudalla wrote:
true. all of the pros at escape from alcatraz that were riding road bikes had the clipons.
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic. But I guess that's a pretty hilly course, so it makes sense. I think clip-ons are a better choice if you don't have a lot of money to throw around. You could also get a new stem if it's still not low enough or something. Definitely cheaper than most full tri bars.
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jhudalla posted 9 weeks ago.
No I'm serious. Good enough for them, I suppose it's good enough for me. Bsides, my bike times aren't because I ride a road bike...
http://www.thompsontri.com/index_files/Video4.htm
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miner06 posted 9 weeks ago.
This setup could be benficial on a course with a lot of hills that requires constant shifting and a lot of time out of the aerobars. This is just a theory as I don't have the experience to back it up.
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J.Michael posted 9 weeks ago.
miner06 wrote:
This setup could be benficial on a course with a lot of hills that requires constant shifting and a lot of time out of the aerobars. This is just a theory as I don't have the experience to back it up.
I would assume you are correct. It would make sense if it were a hilly/curvy course. That way you could be braking for a turn, then shifting to the optimal ratio without having to change hand positions.
It makes just as much sense as having no brakes in the aero position, which makes no sense to me. Isn't that where you are to spend 90% of the time? Tucked? I'm really surprised that that no major tri manufacturer makes a full on tri bike without at least a speed scrubber off one of the aero bars.
I know you can buy them as an addon if you have dura-ace shifters, but none of the bikes come with that option.
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rlauredo posted 9 weeks ago.
Interesting video. Couldn't quite see but it seems that Andy Potts had a standard roadie front with just those short stubbie clip-on aero-bars?
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jhudalla posted 9 weeks ago.
yep... that dude is a machine too. I saw him at IMC. If I could bike like that... that's all I want. Is that too much to ask?
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Anton posted 9 weeks ago.
Old school.
There was a time when the bar end shifters so common aero bars now were only found on touring bikes. Before tirathletes hit on that, this was how it was done... You still see it today because many riders like to have shifting and brake in the same place. I had a first generation Cervy Duel set up this way. Very nice in the hills. J. Michael mentioned a speed scrubber...there were some proto's about a couple years ago, but I'm not sure much came of it.
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UFTriGator posted 9 weeks ago.
miner06 wrote:
This setup could be benficial on a course with a lot of hills that requires constant shifting and a lot of time out of the aerobars. This is just a theory as I don't have the experience to back it up.
Moreso, it was just the quality of the roads. There really weren't any crazy fast descents at Alcatraz (I don't think I ever got much over 45 mph the whole time) that would necessitate using a road bike....the descending seemed similar to the Portand course that they've been using the past couple years for Nats in the speed and tightness of the curves....and everyone uses tri bikes in Portland.
The big difference was that in Portland, you're descending over smooth pavement and at Alcatraz you're not. The road bike keeps your weight farther back and is going to be more stable over the bumps. Road bikes tend to be lighter, too, which is good for the climbs. In non-drafting tris, you always know ahead of time when you're going to have to shift, so shifting isn't really going to be a deciding factor in what bike to use on a specific course. The weight and handling will be, though.
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Triguy98 posted 9 weeks ago.
Just add clip ons, dont bother switching to bull horns, they arent so much more aero that it would make a difference to a person riding a road bike ("converted" or not.)
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rlauredo posted 9 weeks ago.
Triguy98 wrote:
Just add clip ons, dont bother switching to bull horns, they arent so much more aero that it would make a difference to a person riding a road bike ("converted" or not.)
I had initiated a discussion on this a while ago (http://www.trifuel.com/forum/13408/road-bike-versus-tri-bike-for-shorter...) and a few months later I still have the same results: some of us find we can get at least as aero on a standard road-bike setup as on a time-trial/triathlon setup. I have one of each and often use my Kestrel road-bike on Oly-distance races. I like the variety of positions drops give you. But on anything longer you just can't beat the rest that laying on aero-bars gives your back.
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jhudalla posted 9 weeks ago.
Yeah, that's kinda what I'm thinking... I used my road bike for a HIM in march and plan on using it at the same race again next year, but if I'm lucky I'll be able to get in to IMWI in which case I'll have to make a decision...
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J.Michael posted 9 weeks ago.
Anton wrote:
Old school.
There was a time when the bar end shifters so common aero bars now were only found on touring bikes. Before tirathletes hit on that, this was how it was done... You still see it today because many riders like to have shifting and brake in the same place. I had a first generation Cervy Duel set up this way. Very nice in the hills. J. Michael mentioned a speed scrubber...there were some proto's about a couple years ago, but I'm not sure much came of it.
This caused me to do some snooping around the internet and I found that HED makes a rather simple to install (or so it seems) scrubber for dura-ace and campy (campy seems to be out of stock) bar end shifters. I think I'm gonna put one of these on my S22 and see how it works. I live in FL where there are few true hills, (mostly bridges/overpasses) and it would be nice to be able to brake and grab a new gear at the bottom of the hill so I'm not mashing to big of a gear when I get to the flats.
I know, I know......I "could" just grab the gear before I slow too much, but what can I say, I like new toys.
Why someone hasn't made a true brake lever and barend shifter combo yet, I don't know.
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J.Michael posted 9 weeks ago.
Oh yeah, in case any of you wanted to look at the speed scrubber (not a true brake, I'm guessig due to leverage?) it's called the HED 3rd Brake
so I came across this crazy handle bar setup which looks like road setup shifters on aerobars? Has anyone heard of this?
if you following this link it's the 3rd picture. Just looks like an interesting setup, and alot cheaper than owning a road bike AND a tri bike.
http://www.triathletemag.com/Departments/Photo_Gallery/Photo_Gallery/IM_...
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