Quantcast

Rhode Island Half in a month

john_grieco's picture
Posts
72
Member
332 days
started by john_grieco on June 14, 2008

My A race half is in a month and I'm feeling like I need to do more to be ready for it. I'm averaging about 4 hours swimming/week, 6 hours biking and 4 hours of running. I'm not doing many bricks, unless swim-bike or swim-run counts. I'm having a lot of trouble with the heat (I'm in the NY/Westchester area and when I run I feel so exhausted so quickly) and am guessing that Rhode Island will be about the same or worse (in mid-July).

I've got the swimming under control. I need to work on hills/tempos but feel confident that I'll do well on the bike. It's the run that I know I need to concentrate on - I'm only running regularly for a couple years.

I went out this am to do a long run on rolling hills (2hr - 2:15). I stopped every 1.5 to 2mi to take a 30sec drink break. In the middle, I ran by my parked car to switch out bottles and managed to complete it at about a 9:40min pace. It's just not fun for a newbie runner running in the heat. I drank 64oz and a gu in 2 hours (850cal) which I know is on the high side, but if I don't drink, I feel really sluggish and my quads start to tighten up.

Any tips/suggestions on how to use the next 4 weeks to feel better about the run. Is it a volume thing? I'm at a weekly vol of 25mi (1-long, 1-tempo-ish, 1-speed). One other note - I wake up with that tightness in my arch (normal arches) that I self-diagnosed as mild plantar fasciitis so I am trying to be careful about volume and do lots of stretching.

Does everyone hate the run or just me or am I just whining?

"Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go."
-T. S. Eliot

Tamara's picture
Posts
456
Member
1238 days
Tamara posted 12 weeks ago.

John ~ My husband and I are coming up for RI. Where are you staying - hopefully we can run into each other? If it makes you feel any better, you'll be in better shape than both of us. He's been battling PF since December, so other than one Olympic distance race, he hasn't run at all since April so he'll just gut it out at Rhode Island. I have chronic tendonitis in my left lower leg, so I'm putting in less than 10mi/wk and know that I'll have to walk some of the race. I did a half marathon a few weeks ago and finished almost in tears from the pain. So, you definitely won't be the last one on the course! :-)

It sounds like you're doing the right thing in terms of hydrating/nutrition. How much you need varies with each individual, but you are at least taking in something. Plan on walking the aid stations, similar to the drink breaks you are doing now. Also, are you getting enough sodium? In this heat I regularly carry salt tablets, and they should have pretzels at the aid stations.

Maybe dial back the swimming the next two weeks and spend that extra 2hrs on the bike and run? Unless you're brand new to swimming, you're spending almost a third of your training hours in the pool while conventional wisdom says you should spend probably 10-15% of your training hours swimming.

"It's very hard in the beginning to understand that the whole idea is not to beat the other runners. Eventually you learn that the competition is against the little voice inside you that wants you to quit." ~George Sheehan

StephenPDennis's picture
Posts
106
Member
112 days
StephenPDennis posted 12 weeks ago.

It sounds like you're getting yourself familiar with LSD which is fantastic. My biggest advice as a runner is to not break the 10% rule (Never up your milage by more than 10% in any given week). I also live in the New York area, if you ever want to do an LDS in Central Park, Bronx, etc, let me know.

To break the heat of the city in the summer I recommend either getting up early or running late. I always check the weather a day or two ahead of time to plan. I typically get up around 4am and put in a 4-6 mile tempo run or speed work on a park loop. I'll do another 6 at night around 8:30 as the sun sets. This way I keep out of the worst of the heat and the fumes. I saw a study a few months ago that showed that a workout in a high car traffic area (Like on a running path next to a city road) can actually diminish your VO2 by around 5% for up to 4 days.

If injuries worry you, try doing pool-runs and remember to get good, long, deep stretches after your run. As for on the run fueling, I typically carry a Fuelbelt with 4 flasks - 2 of water and 2 of electrolyte recovery drink as I run. Your running clothes can tell you how your doing. If you start to notice white scales and stains, push the recovery drinks. Try to find a bottle of coconut water, it's one of my secret weapons in the mid-summer-city heat. Very high in sugar, calories, good fats and oils and potassium.

john_grieco's picture
Posts
72
Member
332 days
john_grieco posted 12 weeks ago.

Thanks for your suggestions..

Tamara: My wife/I are staying at the Renaissance Providence Hotel (address below) - I think it's right at the finish line. Would definitely be up to meeting up in RI. I did an early season half and walked the water stations at each mile and will probably do the same for this one. I'm using endurolytes - I mix 4 capsules into each 24oz watter bottle (that's the max recommended dosage) so I think I'm good in the electrolytes dept. Bottom line is being new to the sport (2nd season w/only one half, 2 olympics and a bunch of sprints), I need to train more to use fat for fueling my long bikes/runs instead of ripping through carb/glycogen stores which I'm probably doing now.

5 Avenue of the Arts
# Providence, Rhode Island 02903 USA
# Phone: 1-401-919-5000

As for swimming, I see what you mean about my proportions in time dedicated to each sport - It's swim heavy.. I learned to swim last year (as in I could not swim more than a lap!) and have made such progress with a swim coach (can swim even pace 1:40/100yd for 2+miles) that I sometimes have this fear that if I step away from the pool too much, I'll lose the technique that I've learned.

I think I need to gradually add miles.

Stephen: Thanks for the compliment about LSD - How do I get to Long FAST Distance running?? :) I guess I'm looking for a shortcut to faster splits and the only shortcut, I'm likely to find is one that leads to injuries... My training is inconsistent so sometimes I miss a run workout which changes my weekly mileage considerably - How should I handle the next week? Keep the 10% rule on the baseline (say prior 4 weeks?). Given that I'm a 25mi/wk runner, split between (~10-15mi slow, ~6-8mi tempo, 4-5mi speed (includes slow wu/cd time) ) , how would you recommend adding volume? extend the 3 key runs (run 15min longer on the lsd, add a couple more intervals?).

Thanks for the running partner offer - just difficult to schedule/find a time/place that is convenient..

As for nutrition, I use gatorade endurance/carbo pro/endurolytes mix along with a couple gels and endurox after - wondering about perpetuim. Many swear by it...

"Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go."
-T. S. Eliot

nyfan21's picture
Posts
309
Member
1217 days
nyfan21 posted 12 weeks ago.

See you in Rhode Island Bro...

john_grieco's picture
Posts
72
Member
332 days
john_grieco posted 12 weeks ago.

now you on the gray bike don't draft 'cause I wouldn't want you to get docked 2min -

"Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go."
-T. S. Eliot

nyfan21's picture
Posts
309
Member
1217 days
nyfan21 posted 12 weeks ago.

John-

Too funny; I won't be riding my specialized for the HIM I just ordered my Cervelo so it will be a charcol bike that will be caught for drafting. JK; I know I am going to make sure this time that doesn't happen. You feeling ready?

john_grieco's picture
Posts
72
Member
332 days
john_grieco posted 12 weeks ago.

not exactly - I'm feeling happy that I have 3wks + a taper week between now and Rhode Island...

"Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go."
-T. S. Eliot

dlhnpt's picture
Posts
33
Member
826 days
dlhnpt posted 12 weeks ago.

I will be there too. Getting excited because it's a month away, but more worried... I just have not put nearly enough time on the bike this year and very little in the way of bricks. I know I can do it all, but without the right training leading to the race i am worried about suffering through it and not having any fun on the day of. I am not fast and so my attitude is always "have fun", but this is going to be one tough test. I'm going to keep working at it, just ranting due to anxiety...

M's picture
Posts
81
Member
239 days
M posted 11 weeks ago.

Alternate perspective:
If you are 4 weeks out, have been doing 25mpw, and have a potential injury issue, I would think that anything you do differently now to 'cram' for the run is far more likely to be detrimental (injury) than it is to make you a faster runner after the swim and bike. To continue the analogy, if you've been to most of the lectures and done most of the reading (ie, you've been steadily putting in the longer-term training), you'll be fine in the exam.

I have less of a running base than you, and after some early injuries (well before my 'real' training) I learned to be a bit more conservative. For this race, I did long runs every other Saturday (8-12) with shorter long runs, usually tempo (5-8) on the intervening Saturdays, and then 2 runs (of 3-4 mi each) during the week, sometimes with a little bit of speed...so a maximum of 18 mpw (not much, but you have to start somewhere and you have to do what you tolerate). I had nondescript foot discomfort (possibly unrelated) about 4 weeks out from my race, so I skipped a planned 14-miler and took a week off running, then just did short runs (max 6 mi) in the last 2.5 weeks up to the race. Yes, I had anxiety about not running, but my anxiety about injury was greater.

If you're concerned about the heat in the race, it might be especially useful to try some more strenuous running (faster or with hills or something), in the heat, while consuming what you're planning for race day...see how your stomach manages heat + exertion + calories + lots of potentially sloshing liquid. If you're worried about cramping, you might want to increase the electrolyte content of your mix.

Best of luck to all, and have fun!

JLV's picture
Posts
17
Member
96 days
JLV posted 11 weeks ago.

good luck! Let us know how that race is, I'm thinking about it for next year.

Tamara's picture
Posts
456
Member
1238 days
Tamara posted 11 weeks ago.

We're staying at the Courtyard right there near the finish. We'll be getting in Friday morning (spending Thurs nite with a college classmate who lives nearby). John's at the Renaissance. Who else is headed that way...

"It's very hard in the beginning to understand that the whole idea is not to beat the other runners. Eventually you learn that the competition is against the little voice inside you that wants you to quit." ~George Sheehan

john_grieco's picture
Posts
72
Member
332 days
john_grieco posted 11 weeks ago.

The only changes that I think I will aim to make are to be consistent with my training schedule. No missed workouts. I won't go fast when I should be going long/slow and I'll keep close tabs on overall nutrition - Sometimes I skip meals. I do agree that cramming for an endurance event is good way to get injured. My foot feels not so great in the morning (it's tight in the arch for the first steps), so I'll keep stretching and adjust my running if needed.

I like your idea about getting in the heat more - I usually try to run early morning/late eve (at a lit track), but I'll try to get more acclimated, especially on the weekend. I think I have my nutrition down - gatorade/carbopro (around 400cals/hr, w/salt tabs added) works for me.

I'll keep you all posted.. Thanks,

"Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go."
-T. S. Eliot

kylie's picture
Posts
4218
Member
1559 days
kylie posted 11 weeks ago.

John -- find a golf ball and make it your new best friend! That arch pain can get bad... I find it REALLY helps mine stay minimal if I roll my feet on a golf ball a couple times a day, using the pressure on the ball to massage the feet. And getting a foot massage isn't a bad thing, either :)

Miles of Life --- Powered by MarkyV

john_grieco's picture
Posts
72
Member
332 days
john_grieco posted 11 weeks ago.

thanks for the tip kylie!

"Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go."
-T. S. Eliot

JLV's picture
Posts
17
Member
96 days
JLV posted 11 weeks ago.

another helpful hint for your foot, after training, sometimes I have pain so freeze a water bottle (recommend the plastic ones-not the ones you use for training) and then put your foot on top of the bottle and roll it back and forth. This feels great after training, wouldn't do it before though, with the ice, go with the golf ball before! Good luck!