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Breast Stroke Kicking While Sharing Lanes

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started by gfd on June 10, 2008

I have had never had a big problem swimming at my local YMCA until last week and today. On both occasions I was sharing a lane with a swimmer who chose to mix in some breast stroke with their freestyle laps. Both times I was kicked rather hard in the arm and shoulder while passing them. I was not over the center line and I received no apology either time. I didn't stop but each time I approached them I was trying to avoid another shot. My question is wether or not it is proper for this type of kick to be used when sharing a lane. I know that I will not use my plastic hand paddles when sharing for fear of cracking somebody in the head. Does the same courtesy apply to kicking?

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diva_mom posted 23 weeks ago.

I would think so, I know if I'm sharing a lane, and swimming breast stroke, I hold off on kicking until the other someone has safely passed. For Rude!!!

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RV posted 23 weeks ago.

Way back I used to do mostly side stroking (before actually learning how to swim!) in my tri's and therefore in the pool as well.
People were less likely to join in the lane when they see someone side-stroking - so that was an advantage. ;)
Tho, I would make sure that I wasn't kicking across the center whenever sharing a lane. Occasionally there would be bumps, but nothing significant.
Even now swimming freestyle I will sometimes get clobbered by someone in the lane - best to chalk it up as a good tri experience for a mass swim start.

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triNick posted 23 weeks ago.

I'm guessing they aren't very good with their breast stroke or they were just a bit close to the center of the lane. I'm really guessing it's their kick, some people go very wide. Maybe the lanes are narrower, I don't know.

I come from a swimming background and have practiced with up to 6 - 8 people in a lane at the same time. Have done breast stroke with that many people and have had very few issues of kicking others. We end up having more issues with the butterfly because of the wide arm stroke. As a matter of fact, when I was swimming the backstroke this morning, I hit / touched 2 people with my stroke in the lane next to me because I was took close to the lane line, so it can be anything.

If we ever did get a good un-intensional hit in we would apologize, not sure why this person wouldn't do that.

Again I think they don't have the proper kick technique down for the breast stroke and they are going a bit wide.

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JDB posted 23 weeks ago.

+1 on diva_mom's advice--courtesy dictates that you hold off on your breast stroke kick until the person passes. Not sure how that would work with butterfly, as I can only do about 3 strokes without nearly drowning.

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thesonicson posted 23 weeks ago.

The same thing happened to me this morning!!! I was about 3/4 mile into my swim when a lady jumped in to my lane (didn't bother to ask me) and was doing the breast stroke with frequent "dolphin dives". I know she was definitely taking about 2/3 the lane because of her size (hey at least she's out there!). I was also kicked twice (no apologies) and I smacked my hand numerous times on the lane divider to accommodate her. I quit at the mile mark. What I don't get is that there were 2 other lanes with people doing very similar light swim exercises and the one with me practicing to set a world record. (LOL!) You would think you would let the guy in lane 2, who has an obvious rhythm going, continue his workout and choose another lane with people doing the same thing as you're planning on doing! I don't think people get the whole "lap swim" courtesy thing. Especially those that don't categorize themselves as "lap swimmers", you know, the ones that walk half of the lap, float around, and go from a back, to breast, to side stroke in a single lap.
I'm thinking of asking the gym staff to post a sign outlining common courtesies for lap swimming, because this wasn't the first or probably last time it will happen, but at least people who are not aware, can be educated and make appropriate changes.

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NotAsFast posted 23 weeks ago.

Swim lane etiquette is not usually a strong area for most people in the pool. The most basic being, let the person in the lane know you are looking to share a lane before just getting in. Then when you get in keep to you side of the lane whether it is side by side or circle swimming.

The best example of this was our local pool took the lanes from 4 to one to accomodate the bobbing whale class being held. (Not my term, it was relayed to me by the older men who witnessed the incident). Anyway, I was on about #8 of a set of 10, 50 yard sprints. I had the lane to myself and was wide open on my return when I hit a brick wall. One of the larger older gentlemen had decided just to come over and jump in the middle of the lane I was in to continue his bobbing towards me without any care.

I didnt see him and I effectively knocked him out, as well as causing him some facial damage, as well as breaking my hand which took 4 weeks to heal. Now I felt really bad for this guy and once I recovered from the shock managed to get him to the pool side to allow the life guards to do their job. He came around and he immediately wanted to get into a fight with me, calling me all sorts of names etc, etc, etc, trying to break free of the people holding him to, as he put it "Knock my block off".

Now, I like to have fun, I dont like to hurt people, and most of all I really have a problem when people have a bad impression of me. The pool director saw the whole incident and explained it to the older guy what he had done was wrong and I had no fault in the matter, when he then starting having a go at the pool director. Ultimately the police was called in and he had his membership terminated to the fitness center.

Now this is a little extreme, but it is a direct result of not following pool etiquette and announcing your arrival in the lane to the person occupying it.

All pools should have etiquette rules posted near the swim lanes so they cant be missed. But as the main users of the pool, it is also our responsibility to educate the newbies of the etiquette as well.

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Porksalad posted 23 weeks ago.

Yeah people are great I once had a lady who couldn't get my attention while I was swimming so she decided she would jump on my back while I was doing sprints. She almost broke my spine, I was pissed and ready to start screaming but I took a deep breath and just said the lanes all yours and left. Whenever I see her at the gym I stare at her until she looks away so she never forgets my face or gets in my lane again. As far as someone kicking you look to see if someone is of your ability in a different lane and ask if you can join them.

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gfd posted 23 weeks ago.

The guy asked me if he could share, so I knew he was there. I always stay to the side so if somebody wants to share they don't have to get my attention. Both guys seemed to be good swimmers which is why I was confused. As RV said, good practice for open water starts. Next time somebody starts with the kick I will change lanes if possible.

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jtrimom posted 23 weeks ago.

a few weeks ago, this woman and I were splittling a lane when all of a sudden, a guy just swims under the ropes and joins us in the middle of the pool. She and I are both fairly fast swimmers, and this guy was doing a very slow breast stroke/ sidestroke combo; we looked and each other and looked at him, till he stopped and said "innocently", "I thought we could circle" Well, maybe we could, if we all sort of swam the same speed. My original lane mate was so disgusted, she decided to be done with her workout. I don't know what we would have done otherwise...

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TryScott posted 23 weeks ago.

2 questions about pool etiquette from a newbie.

1. How do you get someone's attention without jumping on their back?
2. When you are a little faster than someone that you are sharing a lane with, is there a certain way to pass them? I always feel like I should speed up to pass as fast as possible, or just do my turn 5m before the wall so I don't actually have to pass, I can just "cut in line."

I've been told that the lanes at my gym are a little smaller than normal, so maybe that's why people will wait for a long time before sharing a lane. I've been swimming there 50+ times, and shared a lane twice.

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Porksalad posted 23 weeks ago.

If I need to get someones attention I will squat at the edge of the pool and sometimes that will get there attention, unless they are oblivious to all the lanes being full and if that doesn't work I will wait until they stop or another lane opens up and if all else fails I will wave my hand in the water making sure not to hit them (last resort, pool has to be real busy and good swimmers if no one stops). Sometimes if the pool is crowded but not to bad I will take a side and the other swimmer takes the other side, then you don't have to worry about passing although sometimes I have to add a glide as I pass, but still get in a pretty good workout without having to wait at the wall or pass like crazy. If those don't work jump on their backs and pass with a kick to the side and they will probably leave (just kidding).

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kylie posted 23 weeks ago.

TryScott wrote:
2 questions about pool etiquette from a newbie.

1. How do you get someone's attention without jumping on their back?
2. When you are a little faster than someone that you are sharing a lane with, is there a certain way to pass them? I always feel like I should speed up to pass as fast as possible, or just do my turn 5m before the wall so I don't actually have to pass, I can just "cut in line."

First pick the lane by finding either a place to each stay on your side, or by finding a person who seems similar in speed to you.

I wait at the end, and then will sometimes dip my feet in so that they are visible to the swimer. If the person is doing flip turns, it is easy to miss someone if they just stay on the edge. As a swimmer, if I see that I first make sure it is clear what side of the lane I am swimming on and stay to that lane line (I'm basically never in a circle swim location). Then I react a couple ways:

  • raise my head enough to say "sure" or "come on in"
  • finish the interval I'm on if it is only another lap and then welcome the person if they haven't already joined me.

For passing, if splitting the lane you just stay to your sides. If circle swim, I've seen two things used well:

  • The slower swimmer goes to the corner of the lane along the side they are swimming on (ex: lane line on your right hand then go to the right corner) and just lets the faster person by during their faster turn.
  • Faster swimmer makes sure it is clear and just swims the middle or wrong side of the lane to get by mid-lane

But I really really rarely circle swim, so hopefully someone who does it more will chime in :)

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NotAsFast posted 23 weeks ago.

1) Usually with a wave in the water or sit on the edge with you feet in the water off to one side. If they don't acknowledge you in two turns then the jump on the back approach definately works. :) , seriously, then if you are of the same ability just stand at the end until they turn again, then follow. They cannot deny missing you after two three turns.

2) Passing is pretty easy if everyone is educated. Tickle the persons feet in front of you once or twice and they should wait at the wall and let you pass, before they continue on.

If people you share the pool with dont know the etiquette, then educate them nicely. They want to have just as an enjoyable swim experience as you do.

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RV posted 23 weeks ago.

If two in a lane best to stay side by side. Swimming circles really only works when everyone is basically doing the same workout and swim about the same speed.

I will also sit on the wall with legs in the water (on the side of the lane) if they didn't seem to see me otherwise. Will never jump in with out some sort of acknowledgment.

I've had someone try and jump in over me - literally just missed landing on my back/head. Also had someone jump in and collide with me - I was definitely in the middle as I 'was' alone in the lane - and they seemed to think that the middle also was a good place to be until we hit.

People are such 'igits' or is that 'ultra maroons' perhaps even Whatta a gull-a-bull, whatta nin-cow-poop...

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Trisport posted 23 weeks ago.

Like triNick, I come from a swimming background and would swim with 6-10 people/lane at practice. Generally, when swimming butterfly swimmers would shorten one of their arm's stroke to avoid smashing it into another swimmer's arm. Same rule or etiquette applies to breastroke kicking.

For experienced swimmers, I think it's just an acquired reaction to countless laps in a pool and reinforcement after smashing limbs into other swimmers (a la baby touches hot stove). Proper circle swimming should alleviate most contact b/w swimmers though.

A lot of pools have lanes marked with paces (i.e. Lanes 1-2 slow, Lanes 3-4 moderate, 5-6 fast). If your pool doesn't have this, ask the manager to order a sign or even draw one up with a dry erase board and place it behind the lanes. This should solve for placing people with similar paces in the same lane.

Another take on this could just be that this annoyance in a pool translates into valuable experience for a tri. As an experienced, fast swimmer, I remember in my first tri I was infuriated b/c I couldn't get a comfortable pace going nor proper technique b/c I was soo tangled with other swimmers and making constant contact until the last few minutes when I could finally break from the clutter.