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started by theShiba on June 7, 2008

Ok, people... so I don't mean this in a bad way at all... but, I'm getting a bit sick of reading/answering the "help me find a bike", "what gel", "wetsuit?", "am I crazy for x?" threads. This community is great about answering questions, and never flames newbies for asking, but in the interest of cutting down on the clutter, I was wondering if we could put together a "newbie guide" of sorts?

Some things that I thought of include:

  • Links to Gear Reviews/Bike Sizing/Equipment Information
  • Links to previous threads of most common injuries
  • Links to wetsuit review/previous threads about wetsuits
  • Transition Information
  • Race Nutrition, Recovery Nutrition, and Hydration Info
  • Instructions on SEARCHING the forum
  • What else???
  • I'd like to make this the "definitive" newbie guide, and help answer legit. questions, while at the same time, cutting down on duplicate posts, and common questions.

    If you would, please post your favorite pertinent threads, and any links that we should include.

    Contribute here, and I'll combine all of the info into "The Official Newbie FAQ/Read Me Thread", and see if tribro can sticky it in the Newbie Forum.

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krazyfranco posted 10 weeks ago.

Great idea. I do some research and post some links after work.

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iamtb13 posted 10 weeks ago.

Great idea! Include mandatory bike fitting, how to swim in cold water and hot to apply for the Bikini Support Crew at the Man's Tri.

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RV posted 10 weeks ago.

Having some answers/links for FAQ's is fine, but this community has really grown over the years and therefore there are lots of different and new experiences and viewpoints that are good to hear from. Also gear and even training methods are also constantly changing / evolving. So responses need to stay current.

RV

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fastdog5 posted 10 weeks ago.

Ironically, this post is duplicative :)

I saw a thread earlier this week (couldn't find it); Tribro is putting something like this together, or at least made the suggestion. I remember it b/c I had some kind of smart-a** response to what should be included.

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theShiba posted 10 weeks ago.

I believe it was mentioned by cjhoffmn, here.

I understand, RV, there is definitely a need for fresh perspectives, and integration of new equipment. However, I do think, and I feel that many others here will agree with me, that there are certain things that remain constant for newbies that would be helpful to put together to help answer questions that come up a lot...

Like... "The water will be 55ºF... Do I need a wetsuit?" The answer in every one of the very similar threads that comes up is always going to be something like, "you should look at wetsuitrental.com" followed by, "I don't know, man... If it were me, I'd buy a wetsuit", and "If it's just a sprint, you're wasting your time with a wetsuit, just tough it out."

Personally, I think that a question could be answered in a FAQ, or at least provide a link to an already existing thread on the topic that could answer the question. If that thread doesn't answer the question, then I guess it would be up to what you guys think as far as, would we rather see the thread bumped, or start a new thread? I think that there are two ways of thinking about that. On one hand, starting a new thread integrates new viewpoints, and has a fresh approach to the topic. On the other hand, bumping an old thread creates a longer, more detailed discussion of the topic. Then, when the topic is searched in the future, the user searching for the topic will have one specific, detailed thread, rather than 10 different threads with 8 responses.

I'm definitely open to more discussion as to what exactly this should be/whether or not it's even necessary. That's why I started the thread before actually creating the guide, because then it really becomes a way for the more "hyperactive" among us to figure out what the best way to go about this is. Of course, if everyone thinks it's just silly, and would rather have new threads (which I would be fine with, if that's what everyone wants) then I suppose I'll just drop it. Just trying to figure out which is the best way for us to all build together as a community, and welcome newcomers. If there's one thing that I greatly respect about Trifuel, it is how welcoming and open the community is to newcomers (unless we think they are spamming)....

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MrUtley posted 10 weeks ago.

Hi theShiba,

I'm going to respectfully disagree with you on this point. I don't think it's necessary. There is already a Newbie forum discussion section where newbies can go and ask questions, silly or not. I understand you don't like reading the same question over and over but that's what makes this website special. As a newbie, you can ask the "numb feet" question and get a honest respectful answer. You've got to remember we were all newbies and one point in our careers and we all had serious questions that we wanted serious answers to.

For me if I see a a post that a newbie may have asked and it's about "numb feet" I read it because I get a kick out of it. One of my very first posts was about "numb feet". I was scared that I was not going to be able to bike because of my feet, so I asked the question and got an honest answer. That's why I like this website...people want to help. If I see a redundant question I just don't read it , plain and simple. It may create clutter but so what. Clutter to you may be a helpful answer to a newbie.

By creating some seperate newbie FAQ section it seems to me your ostracizing the newbies. They want to be part of the discussions, become involved, learn and get better. Even if it means asking repetative questions. Again we were all newbies. We didn't have a clue about triathlons, trifuel, forums or anything related. We were a sponge wanting to soak up any and all information. Lets not push them aside just because we may not like to read the same old questions.

Please don't take my post the wrong way either, I just feel for the newbie. I still consider myself a sort-of-newbie and really appreciate this website and forum for a lot of my triathlon questions. I don't post much but I read a lot and I (or newbie) don't want to feel like I can't ask a question, any question without being shunned. Thanks for listening.

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fastdog5 posted 10 weeks ago.

I agree and would add that the quality of the responses to similar questions gets better as we all gain more experience. If you don't want to answer, don't. If the subject line doesn't intrigue you, don't click on it. Personally I like reading the responses to the same questions I have had in the past, because there always seems to be a new twist or perspective on the answers. The beauty of a forum like this is in the subjectivity. You can read the different perspectives and form your own view. For me, I'm looking for something I haven't thought of before, which is why I read posts about things I think I already know the answer to, and try to reply where I can add value. Using your own example of the wetsuit in 55 degree water: Everyone is different and will handle a situation like this differently. Here's another: I love my HR monitor. Most of the posters on this topic disagree on its usefulness. It makes us all better.

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diluzio123 posted 10 weeks ago.

I've been reading this post over the past day and thought I should respond as a newbie.

There are hundreds of links on the web to answer several of these questions. I've looked at a ton of them but sometimes the answers aren't clear. I joined this web site in January for the Training Log. Just recently (I think up to 17 posts) I began to use the forums. I know some of my questions are obvious, but since I'm new, the answers aren't obvious to me and I love to be able to ask these questions and get some honest feedback from people who I know are long time triathletes and are going to give me an honest answer no matter how stupid the question is.

When I first looked at doing a triathlon I read and heard that triathlets are the most helpful athletes that you may ever meet. And that statement has been proven to me time and time again. I was in the pool back in February and I was having some trouble. A couple in the lanes next to me were both triathletes and came into my lane to help. With their help I was able to go from swimming maybe a half mile before being done to swimming a mile and still having a lot left in the tank.

I tell that story to illustrate how I feel about this site. If we have a FAQ page and tell newbies, "don't post that question, go to the FAQ" we won't be the most helpful athletes on the planet, but looking like we don't want to be bothered. I think it's a good idea to have a FAQ page, but let's not have it as a substitute to asking the question.

Just my 2c

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theShiba posted 10 weeks ago.

You know what, guys? I see your point.

Don't get me wrong, I wasn't trying to eliminated the questions because I am annoyed, or don't want to be bothered with it... I chime in when I can as well. Just trying to do something that I thought might be helpful.

Now that I look at it from the point of view that posting questions, even if they are repeats, gives the newbies a chance to become involved, and get a more personal response. They get to engage in a conversation, and when it comes down to it, that's what is special about this site.

Thanks for your input, everyone! Looks like we have our answer.

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cjhoffmn posted 10 weeks ago.

Well - I will add real quickly, that when I made the suggestion to Tribro, it's not meant to be mutually exclusive. Having a section of the site dedicated to answering the "usual" questions doesn't preclude people from being in the regular forums and even asking those questions. I the cases where I've seen it work (and the "niche" snowboard carving world is similar in many respects to the tri world) it was used more as a guidepost. Newbies could go there, get an understanding of definitions, learn in a very open manner, as the regular posters often posted content there.

See this link for the way I've seen this work well.. http://www.bomberonline.com/articles/welcome_center.cfm There are very technical "how-to" articles and very non technical "this is what that means" stuff, and it often worked to help spur debates out on the forums. Most of that content was developed by peeps on the boards, who in general flushed out their thinking on the boards first, then wrote it up for the newbie page.

A lot of it has to do with how you use it too. There are several, let's just call them less friendly boards, where the "roll of the eyes, - go read the newbie section" response is highly predictable. I think here, with the excellent spirit generally shown, it would be more like, "well, here's an answer to your question, and on the beginner's page you might find more details," which could be a nice addition.

To tri or not to tri - that's not a question at all!

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theShiba posted 10 weeks ago.

Well, I guess now it's two voting "for", three voting "against" and some others not so clear...

Maybe there is something that can be done to help as many people as possible, but also encourage discussion and "regulars" input?

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fpugsley posted 10 weeks ago.

I am not for an 'all encompassing' FAQ type section. The answers get stale, and seasoned forum peoples wont see the updates/new questions as often.

If we want to hassle the new guys, they would be better off on slowtwitch.

I also like to read the newest new person's 'tired old questions'... its fun

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max ping posted 10 weeks ago.

of course this IS a newbie forum isn't it?

making it easier to gain info would be a plus in my opinion... so long as regulars don't answer a question with "well, go look in the faq section then come back later, etc.
it might actually generate more activity as there may be super green newbs that are afraid to chime in because they don't want to appear completely well, new.