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Help me find a size for the Cervelo P2SL Dura-Ace

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I am looking to purchase this bike and I went to my LBS and test rode the 56 and the 58. I was told that the 56 was a more traditional Tri fit; but the 58 actually felt better. This may be due to the face that I 1. never rode a tri bike and 2. I have never rode a bike with aero bars.

I am 6'1 and 187 now (damn I am getting skinny)
What do you guys think?
(1) 56
or
(2) 58
Thanks
-Mat

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MrUtley posted 26 weeks ago.

I'm in the market for a tri bike and have been shopping around too. I'm 6'2" and 200lbs and I've been told I would need a 58cm tri bike. I've got a 60cm road bike right now if that helps at all.

Good luck

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TriSooner posted 26 weeks ago.

nyfan21 wrote:
the 58 actually felt better
You answered your own question. People sometimes buy smaller-sized tri bikes to force themselves in a more compact riding position. I think that is a recipe for many, many uncomfortable hours of riding.

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nyfan21 posted 26 weeks ago.

Tri-Sooner-

just curious what size road bike did you ride compared to your Tri-bike?

I hope that the 58 wasn't more comfortable just because I am use to my 62 Road Bike.

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nyfan21 posted 26 weeks ago.

Fastdog-

Thanks for the reply. I think maybe I will pay for the Tri-fit before I buy the bike. But since I am buying the bike online it makes things a little more difficult.

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fastdog5 posted 26 weeks ago.

Maybe the LBS would match the online price...worth asking.

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thesonicson posted 26 weeks ago.

I would also ask the LBS to match the price. But wouldn't suggest just asking the help, I would first ask the owner if available, if not, the manager for these are the ones directly involved with overhead decisions. Just schmooze them over with: "I believe in supporting local businesses, but I the prices on the internet are making it hard to do that. Can you help me out with that?" The owner will most likely want your business even if it means a lower margin. Plus in the long run he wants your servicing, parts, and accessories business as well. Also, most bike shops give you a free fitting with the purchase. So think about that if you're planning on paying for a fitting to get the bike online. Good Luck!

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fastdog5 posted 26 weeks ago.

Good call, I should have been more explicit. Another trick is asking the owner for a discount for paying cash, if this is an option for you. They'll sometimes pass on the savings of not having to pay the credit card company their fee; they have no reason not to.

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xc800runner posted 26 weeks ago.

I'm 6'2", 165 with a 33.5" inseam and I'm riding a 56cm P2K (essentially the new P2SL). I've hacked off the steerer down to the headset and feel really good on it. I wouldn't call it comfortable, necessarily, but my legs are fresh coming off it and it's faster and more aggressive than I would have been on the 58. As a comparison, my road bike is a 58.

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fastdog5 posted 26 weeks ago.

My $.02: More comfortable = faster. Remember you're talking about a 2 cm difference in tube length; you can dial in the fit by adjusting stem length, aerobar length, seat forward position & height, etc. I concur wth TriSooner: Since you test-rode them both, go with what "feels" the best. For what it's worth, I'm 5' 11" and I was also between a 56 and 58. I went with the 56; the fact that I have a freakishly-short torso (and a 34" inseam) may have played a role in getting the smaller frame, i.e. it "felt" better. Hope ths helps/makes sense.

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TriSooner posted 26 weeks ago.

nyfan21 wrote:
Tri-Sooner-

just curious what size road bike did you ride compared to your Tri-bike?

If you ever saw Napolean Dynamite: "As if anyone can over know that." I ride a Softride, so I have no clue what size my bike is. It is just 'big' (hence why I wrote that if it feels right, go with that size regardless of what some sticker on the bike says). And secondly, I've never ridden or owned a road bike.

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TriSooner posted 26 weeks ago.

xc800runner wrote:
I've hacked off the steerer down to the headset
That hurts my neck just reading it. :)

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nyfan21 posted 26 weeks ago.

Cool thanks guys. I already asked the LBS if they could match the price and they said probably not. It was around $300 less the LBS plus no sales tax. I think I will just pay for the Tri-Fit and then deciede which bike size I like the best and they purcahse it online. Thanks everyone.
-Mat

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kylie posted 26 weeks ago.

Yeah, definitely see what a tri fitting says. Another thing to keep in mind is how low you can get on the different bikes. Now you'll probably stay fairly up, but with time and comfort you may find yourself wanting to get your front end lower, and with a 58 it might not be possible.

Discomfort on the 56 might be not being used to the tri position -- it feels pretty different to me than my road bike position. But both are great for different things.

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nyfan21 posted 26 weeks ago.

Thanks Kylie. I might go with th 56 I have had around 20 people including the guy at the bike shop say that the 56 looked right.
-Mat

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PrinceofClydes posted 26 weeks ago.

nyfan21 wrote:
I am looking to purchase this bike and I went to my LBS and test rode the 56 and the 58. I was told that the 56 was a more traditional Tri fit; but the 58 actually felt better. This may be due to the face that I 1. never rode a tri bike and 2. I have never rode a bike with aero bars.

I am 6'1 and 187 now (damn I am getting skinny)
What do you guys think?
(1) 56
or
(2) 58
Thanks
-Mat

Legs/trunk length ratios vary from person to person but..

I am 6'2.5" and ride a 58cm P2SL, I did a 182km ride on Friday and it feels just fine.

:)
I got fitted / measured for the 58cm frame by a certified Cervélo dealer: Kelowna Cycle.
In case it helps, I have a 34" inseam on my jeans.

PoC

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nyfan21 posted 25 weeks ago.

PrinceofClydes-

Yeah it is weird I felt so much faster on that 58; but everyone keeps telling me 56. BTW I am a 34' also pant length.
-M

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xfactor posted 25 weeks ago.

I can't tell you how similar my situation is to yours. I am probably closer to 6', same pant length. I think the bottom line is we are smack dab between two sizes and could probably go either way with equal success.

The thing that really had my head spinning when i bought my Felt (very similar geometry) was that the forums and serious folks all stated 56, go 56....smaller, more aggressive. I went into the LBS with my mind focused on 56 is the size I had to get. The store even suggested a 56 to start with. I ended up finding a pretty comfortable position on it and I bought it. Here is where it got a little interesting though. As I rode it around that day I took inventory of my position. I had my aero bars at their maximum extension and my seat post in the rear position, that is where I was comfortable. The problem is these bikes are not really designed to be in the rear seat post, they are made to be in the front seat post hole. I started looking at geometry on the bikes and realized the forward position on the 58 is the same distance as the rear position on the 56. Now I could move the seat forward on the 56 and go to a 120mm stem but I felt that would put my weight pretty far in front of the bike. The 58 would give the same exact reach, while still getting me forward on the seat post, but distribute my weight more evenly over the bike. I could also go down to a 100 or 90mm stem if I want to drop the front lower or compact my position.

Sorry for rambling on. I guess my point is to not let "guidelines" weigh too much into your decision and trust the comfort. I switched to the 58. The only thing I can possibly think of that I gave up is the ability to go quite as low in front...but it is comfortable now and I can always start removing spacers if I want to go lower.

Trust your body, not the general consensus. Besides, Cervelo's own website puts the rough estimates for a 56 from like 5'8 to 6'1, and a 58 from like 5'11 to 6'4. I might be off a bit but not much. You will likely get the same fit either way.

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nyfan21 posted 25 weeks ago.

xfactor-

thanks for your detailed comments I apprecaite it.
(1) What size road bike and type of road bike did you ride before?
(2) What is your primary distance in Tri's?
thanks for all your help.
-Mat

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xfactor posted 25 weeks ago.

The road bike is interesting. I have an old Bianchi that is 60 and it is too big even though i rode it for years. I have actually been cramming onto my wife's 54 without much problem. I think I am sort of a strange bird because I have actually found myself more comfortable on smaller road bikes, but larger tri bikes...and I know that totally defies conventional wisdom.

Right now I have only been doing sprints. I plan to add in a longer distance event next year as I don't feel quite ready to tackle them yet.

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nyfan21 posted 25 weeks ago.

Xfactor-
Thanks for the reply. I think I am gonig to get the 56. I have really thought it over quite a bit and what really made my mind up if this guy at the LBS that is doing a Ironman in 2 weeks and he rides a ton; like 100 miles a few times a week. And he is just under 6 foot and he rides a Cervelo 54 so I think that with his height difference and everyone else telling me a 56 I am going to say "F" it and get the 56. Thanks for everyones help
-Mat