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started by vjohnson on May 23, 2008

I spent the winter months hitting the weights, but since I've been adding the hours of sm/bk/rn training onto my schedule I'm having trouble fitting in my weightlifting sessions. Should I worry too much about a decrese in performance? Should I eliminate some bike sessions to fit in my weight sessions? I'm just finding that my training/life schedule just isn't set up for weightlifting. I'm gearing up for Ironman Louisville in August, and I haven't lifted for the last few weeks, since my race season has started up. Should I start up again? My major concern for the race is my aerobic base for the bike. Thanks, Vinny

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ryanweeg posted 14 weeks ago.

If your main concern is base on the bike for an Ironman, the last thing I would consider doing would be cutting back on bike time to do weightlifting sessions. What is more important to you, triathlon or weightlifting? I would find it hard to believe you will find someone on a triathlon forum that will recommend cutting back bike base training for weightlifting sessions when training for an Ironman.

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Leroy Bonkers posted 14 weeks ago.

I'd say keep up a reduced schedule lifitng, especially the stabalizers. Lifting helps reduce the muscle imbalances that cause overuse injuries.

With all the bike work all you really need is 30 minutes 2x a week. aim for 15 reps. Think of it as onging prevenitive physical therapy. I'm not talking aobut ripping out power squats here...

If I had lifted more this season I wouldn't be sidelined right now with a crippling runner's knee.

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jsk85 posted 14 weeks ago.

Most training plans call for a decrease in lifting as you get into the bulk of the aerobic portion of the season. The winter is where strength gains are made (and the prep period), and as long as you do some maintenance lifting every so often, you should be able to maintain your strength while you build on everything aerobically. I'm no expert and can't site this, but I've heard that muscular strength doesn't significantly decrease for up to 4 weeks after your last weight training session if no other strength training is being done. I do know muscular strength depletes at a much slower rate than aerobic capacity.

I have cut out all lifting other than basic body wieght resistance stuff, and am relying on high intensity pool and bike workouts to keep the muscular strength maintained through the racing season. Ideally I'd add a maintenance session or 2 each week, but just can't fit it in the already busy schedule...priorities lie in the sport specific training this close to racing

Exception: Core...core work (abs and lower back) should always be worked on since they are the source of all your body's potential energy in the end

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nyfan21 posted 14 weeks ago.

This question to lift or not is everywhere here on tri boards. IMO if you don't have time to do s/b/r then cut back on lifting but if you like to lift and you have time for it and you don't mind being a little slower from it (myself) then lift. I will never stop my lifting routine.
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TriSooner posted 14 weeks ago.

vjohnson wrote:
Should I eliminate some bike sessions to fit in my weight sessions?
Not unless Ironman Louisville has added weightlifting as a fourth discipline.

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ChunkyB posted 14 weeks ago.

TriSooner wrote:
vjohnson wrote:
Should I eliminate some bike sessions to fit in my weight sessions?
Not unless Ironman Louisville has added weightlifting as a fourth discipline.

I think that pretty much sums it up.

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tholosophy posted 14 weeks ago.

Swimming, biking, and running should be enough to work your entire body in the places that need it. Although you might want to do some core / torso exercises, most of which you can do at home. My understanding that these exercises help all of your muscles to work together more efficiently. Also, maybe do a few exercises that work the muscles you don't work when biking and running and swimming, so that you don't leave certain muscles weaker, resulting in possible injury. These comments are basically out my butt, but they sound alright.

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run2race posted 14 weeks ago.

I've cut back to one day/wk in the weight room on a swim only day and add push ups, crunches and twists to my short runs. I would think this is plenty to keep your winter gains, especially if you incorporate hill work with good form to your week- and the time impact isn't big.

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JohnieTri posted 14 weeks ago.

Not unless Ironman Louisville has added weightlifting as a fourth discipline.

That's Funny. You know, from experience, I would say if there was any way to keep up the weight training, specifically lower body, I would try and do it. The bike at IMKY is tough, and I firmly believe that added strength will help, not hinder your performance. Now that being said, if you wanted to kill 2 birds with one stone, just find the hills and ride them. Then you'll get both the benefit of endurance(riding) and well as the strength training(hills). Yor're only talking about 60 minutes/week.

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run2race posted 14 weeks ago.

nyfan21, here's a duathlon for you . . .

http://www.arnoldclassic.com/h_5k.asp

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Triguy98 posted 14 weeks ago.

You can never have too much strength, short of being super large bodybuilder type. Being strong will help you stay fresher longer, and less injury prone. Definately reduce the amount you were doing vs your winter time, but keep 2 days in there and do a couple short core workouts a couple other days. Your body will thank you when you get off the bike after 112 miles.

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nyfan21 posted 14 weeks ago.

Run2race-

Kinda sounds like a dig towards me. I have been doing triathlons for about 3-4 years now; doing a Half Ironman in July I think you may be questioning my ablilities as a Triathlete because I lift? Never did a duathlon and since swimming is my strongest leg I don't think I will being a duathlon ever. But if you need some pointers on your next Triathlon I would be happy to help you.
-M

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tsilcyc posted 14 weeks ago.

I've gone from the not lifting group to the lifting group. I do not see any noticeable improvement in any of the disciplines but I still do it. Why? Because I've remained injury free, it makes me feel good, I look forward to it, and it does not appear to be making me slower. Is there a relationship between remaining injury free and lifting? I have no idea. I believe lifting has a sort of secondary benefit. If you have the time, I would suggest incorporating it but not at the cost of aerobic base training on the bike. I think core is something everyone should be doing.

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gauntlet posted 14 weeks ago.

Lifting is as important in my training as S/B/R. I don't think the question should be to lift or not. I think in your case it should be how much. I lift 2X a week. 2 sets each exercise. I do it in a circuit to keep efficient alternating upper and lower body and alternating opposite muscles....tri's then bi's.....chest then back. My time lifting is approx 30 minutes per session or 1 hour a week. Go for quality over quantity.

This is what works for me. Sounds as if you enjoy lifting so I'm sure you'll find what works for you. As you can tell everyone is diffrent.

Goodluck in Louisville......see ya there.

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jess1 posted 13 weeks ago.

I love to lift, so I would keep it in; lift enough and maybe you'll race clydesdale! Do what feels right for you

You could always incorporate some plyometric or ball exercises if muscle imbalances are your primary concern (lunges, wall sits, ball squats, etc)

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azmojo804 posted 13 weeks ago.

I would definitely keep the weight lifting in:
1) to smooth out the muscle imbalances
2) to work the core further
3) to increase your muscle output

I don't do weights on bike or run days, but only on my swim days. I alternate swimming before/after lifting. And, I'm not power lifting, I do lots of reps with lower weight. That helps with endurance too...

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Leroy Bonkers posted 13 weeks ago.

OK, so there are a few other benefits to lifting:

- looking better in a trisuit
- being able to open pickle jars
- being able to do yard work without being sore the next day.
- being able to throw a 25lb toddler into the air repeatedly

These obvious observations came to me like a flash of light when I tried to plant trees about a month ago. little trees that needed little holes. tore me up.