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started by olivestri on April 17, 2008

This article in the NYTimes seems like additional comfirmation of a theory I think I first picked up in Tri magazines, i.e., there are only two kinds of training that are really effective, going short distances (or hills) at a fast pace and going long distances at a more relaxed pace.

Anyway for your reading pleasure...

FASHION & STYLE | April 17, 2008
Stronger, Faster, Higher: Changing Speeds to Go the Distance
By GRETCHEN REYNOLDS
An Olympic hopeful shares her tips for becoming a better runner.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/17/fashion/17fitness.html?ex=1209096000&en=99a5afad0e32ba25&ei=5070&emc=eta1

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burnman posted 1 year ago.

The whole point of short/fast and long/slow is to isolate and build the fast twitch and slow twitch muscle fibers. Short/fast will build power and speed (fast twitch) while long/slow will build endurance (slow twitch). The idea is to train at the extremes and race somewhere in the middle. It doesn't do your body any good to run train at a 10k pace for 2 hours. At that point, you're risking much more damage than benefit. Similarly, chugging along at sub-marathon speed for 30 minutes won't give you nearly enough endurance conditioning, unless you're doing it 3 or 4 times a day (which, I guess, some people do). As you traverse the run course at a target pace, your body will recruit whichever muscle fibers it needs to keep you moving. It's the athlete's job to make sure those fibers are available and well developed for that occasion.

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chsfootballgirl posted 1 year ago.

Agree with burnman, with the addition that you race like you train. Yeah, you need to train fast-twitch and slow-twitch muscle fibers (there's also an issue with how many muscle fibers within the muscle you recruit with each contraction; you recruit more of them with maximal intensity exercise), just like you need to use a weight routine to build up the contractile force of individual muscles. But in the long run, what's more important, weight training or a tempo run?

You can do a ton of weight training (or long, slow/hard, fast), but if you don't train the way you race, you'll never reach your true competitive potential. So I would argue that you need hard, fast/long, steady (not slow, necessarily; steady)/race pace. Gotta do those tempo/race pace workouts if you want to race.

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Nutty posted 1 year ago.

For a second there i thought trifuel had begun to touch on another subject entirely and gotten just plain obscene...

Thanks for posting the article.

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Sully800 posted 1 year ago.

burnman wrote:
TIt doesn't do your body any good to run train at a 10k pace for 2 hours.

That would do your body a hell of a lot of good! Too bad its not possible...

The point is that if you do every workout with medium intensity, you don't increase fitness much. By making your easy days truly easy, you are better rested for the hard days that really count and you can properly benefit from those workouts.

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Socket posted 1 year ago.

Nutty wrote:
For a second there i thought trifuel had begun to touch on another subject entirely and gotten just plain obscene...

I thought the same thing with the "Sore ass, mouthful of water" thread...

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Triguy98 posted 1 year ago.

It's not so much about training muscle fibers.

Long slow workouts allow you to train your aerobic capacity adn build it up to the maxime level. If you do this at too fast a pace, youre using your muscles a bit too much, robbing them of energy and rest. The rest and energy would be better off being conserved for your faster and harder workouts, where you need it the most.

Life is short. Play hard and get dirty doing it.

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jhudalla posted 1 year ago.

That's a great article! My plan for next season ( starting right after the Twin Cities Marathon 10/05 ) is to pursue the periodization method which is lifting weights and doing nothing but LSD for 2 months. I have a race in April ( Cali HIM ) that I want to have a kick -ayass showing in so I'm thinking 2 months of including speed work and intensity will put me in line come race day.

Weary is the path that does not challenge.