Half Iron 3 weeks before Full Iron???
Is this your first Ironman? Have you done a half before?
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Lots of variables here - Doing the HIM as a training day or racing it? Expectations for IM - survive or go hard?
Especially with a first IM - I would not risk adversely affecting my IM with a HIM only 3 weeks out.
A HIM is also not a real good indicator for an IM. Nutrition and pacing strategies are very different.
Tho - you will probably get lots of varying responses - but you need to judge how well you can recover from the HIM and still have a good taper.
RV
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Slow is smooth; smooth is fast. - Rich Strauss
Completely doable. If by this time you've had a solid 5 months of training, I don't see why you couldn't do this and then start your taper.
Edit: As mentioned above, responses will vary. Let me ask you this, I'm assuming you've had three months of training so far... how do you feel?
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I've always done a HIM before my IM's three weeks out...great start to a taper. Mind you ,though I didn't race them. Just used them to work out kinks, double check (ok quadruple or quintuple check ) my nutrition (taste and delivery method, not quantity)...Sort of a shake down cruise. The distances are a little short for the last long workouts, so I always went out the next day for a long ride and a longish run off the bike. It also helps get your mind race ready
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I totally disagree. Not a good idea at all! Your first IM and you want to screw around with a half 21 days before? You have put in all the training for the full and you want to do a half just for giggles. No. Do the half - any half - AFTER you do IM. Which is more important? A half that you won't really be pushing too hard in? Or the full? No one is impressed by a half. And CDA is not an easy full. I've seen it rated just below Lake Placid and Canada in terms of difficulty. Example: I've done IM 70.3 Buffalo Springs sub 6 several times (one of only two halves that have Kona slots, to give you the idea of difficulty), but CDA is my worst IM at over 14 hours.
So 325 hours a year of training and a 13hr finish gets you into the 16th percentile at Ironman Germany? Dude, wait, what?
Have you done a half before?
IMO this question needs to be answered before the decision can be made, with the follow up question of: How did you recover from the HIM?
My point being that recovery is an individual thing. I do not recover well from racing 1/2 mary's and full mary's but I do seem to recover very quickly from racing OLY's. After racing a HIM 2 years ago I was able to run a fast 1/2 mary and full mary a week and 5 weeks later.
I did not have much of an energy level after completing an IM, so doing a HIM a few weeks later would have been close to impossible for me. Doing the reverse would have been very doable.
For others, all the above may be very different.
I wouldn't do it. No matter what, you'll be tempted to race instead of just work out any kinks. You'll need recovery time and that will eat into what should be a well-thought-out taper.
If it were me, I would avoid it, but if you were to do it, you will have to be very disciplined and avoid the temptation to "race" the half.
No one is impressed by a half.
Hey! What's that mean??
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TriSooner wrote:No one is impressed by a half.Hey! What's that mean??
I think he's saying compared to the ironman distance a half doesn't stack up, which is true. However, I do see it to also be borderline offensive for all of us who do short course tri's. I have only completed 2 1/2's as my longest events and they were impressive to me.
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TriSooner wrote:No one is impressed by a half.Hey! What's that mean??
Compared to a full . . . sorry. Like, "I did a half in 4:40 but DNF'd a full."
So 325 hours a year of training and a 13hr finish gets you into the 16th percentile at Ironman Germany? Dude, wait, what?
3 weeks before an IM is when I am doing a Race Rehearsal weekend (read my article here about them: http://www.trifuel.com/training/endurance-files/how-fast-can-you-go-in-a...)
You will get far more benefit from an RR weekend than you will from the HIM. Although I tend to ride 112 miles and then run 6, however long it takes. That will tell me if my wattage choice is correct.
IMHO.
YMMV
rebekahliz wrote:TriSooner wrote:No one is impressed by a half.Hey! What's that mean??
Compared to a full . . . sorry. Like, "I did a half in 4:40 but DNF'd a full."
You need to hang around more accepting people! ;) Both are impressive.
But a HIM and an IM are too very different races - pacing, nutrition and intensity vary so much between the two. Success in one does not translate to success in the other.
RV
It takes a long time to get good. - Scott Molina
Slow is smooth; smooth is fast. - Rich Strauss
3 weeks before an IM is when I am doing a Race Rehearsal weekend (read my article here about them: http://www.trifuel.com/training/endurance-files/how-fast-can-you-go-in-a...)You will get far more benefit from an RR weekend than you will from the HIM. Although I tend to ride 112 miles and then run 6, however long it takes. That will tell me if my wattage choice is correct.
IMHO.
YMMV
+1 A RR is time better spent for prepping for the IM.
RV
It takes a long time to get good. - Scott Molina
Slow is smooth; smooth is fast. - Rich Strauss
Wow guys/gals, thanks for the input. To answer a couple of your questions..... Yes, I have done one HIM before - finished in 5:04, but I completely blew up on the run and I learned a whole lot about nutrition and pacing. I recovered fairly quickly tho. So, here's what I've deduced from y'all: I'm struggling to put the hours in as it is (it's tough with 3 little kids :)), and while I think the HIM would be great to work out kinks, it's a chunk of change that I don't have to spend on a training ride ... plus, I know myself, and there's no way I could just take it easy and not race it. So... I think it would be more prudent to just put in a last long training day before the taper.
Thank you all for your advice! I'm open to more if you have it :-)
Kona_expat, I will check out your RR article - thanks.
Bless you guys and have a great season!
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Why risk it? Four weeks I think is doable as long as your disciplined and can just treat the half like a long training day, but three weeks might just be pushing it.











I'm doing IM Coeur d' Alene on June 22nd. Would it be wise or foolish to do the Boise 70.3 exactly 3 weeks before? Some say it would be a perfect way to start your taper, others say it would be too taxing. My fitness level: this will be my first IM that I actually trained for and my weekly training volume will max out at 12-15 hours. Penny for your thoughts :-)