General and Heart Rate Training
I am nowhere near a pro but have read a lot. I wish I had the experience...
I am experiencing the exact same thing. Went out today intending to run 8-9 miles below 155HR and immediately went above 155 if I ran below 9 minute miles. It is frustrating. I think your question about the programs is a good one and I think they may structure the bike with the swim just due to time constraints as if you did a long bike ride and swim in same day the time load would be too huge that day. If you do run and swim in same day, you are looking at only 2-2.5 hr day, a reasonable day.
You can start a base phase now and can pick a 12-16 week training plan. I am in the same boat and trying to figure out if I can do a half Sept 7th and am looking at a plan Matt Lieto had on this site also that is a 20 week plan. I would appreciate any advice on half ironmans as well. Anyone have a recommendation for a trainer or plan they have been very happy with? Good luck.
Are you basing your heart rate zones off of literature or off personalized testing? I've had my VO2max tested and have my personalized HR zones for each type of workout. They are very different than the generalized zones that I found in some literature. For example, the only time I should be below 156 BPM is if my goal for the run is to recover. If I'm out for a longer, non-recovery run, I can go up to 167 BPM. If you haven't had any testing done to find your HR zones, I'm not sure how effective your training will be. If you're zones don't match up with the general zones, you may be running slower than you need and end up frustrating yourself.
By no means am I a pro in the triathlon and running worlds. I just know that my zones are much higher than the general population.
well, there are a lot of questions in here but I'll try to speak to some of them. I'm no pro either but here's how i view things and what's worked for me.
Basically, yes you have to go slower to get faster. That's the theory behind going slow in base and building a solid base over many years of training. You basically want to learn how to go faster while spending less energy. To do so, you need to be training at that lower heart rate and slowly build up your speeds. So that after going through the cycles of training with base and the lower heart rate/effort theory you'll be able to run those 7:30s at 140bpm. It has worked for me. It totally sucks running 9 minute miles or riding at 17 mph when you know you can go faster, but as the years go by you begin to understand the importance of building a good base. Easier to get back into the swing of training after the off season, easier to maintain long efforts, eventually you will get to 7:30s at the same effort you were doing 9's. And as you get older, recovery is easier if you aren't going anaerobic all the time.
I don't do any speed work during base. However people are changing things up a bit. I know pros that do incorporate some harder speed efforts during base. But, they also have years of base behind them so their fitness is there.
the swim/run vs. swim/bike is basically due to time for training as mentioned. typically easier to double up a swim with a run. Although usually not back to back. As you get further into your training plan you'll typical incorporate some bike/run bricks to simulate the transition during a race.
I use Matt's plan as a basic starting point and taylor it to my specific schedule and where I need more work.
Some links that might help:
http://www.trifuel.com/training/heart-rate-training
http://www.trifuel.com/training/triathlon-training/what-does-periodization-mean-and-how-does-it-work
http://www.trifuel.com/triathlon-training/Half-Ironman-Training.php
Jellings- where do they test your VO2 max? Your doctor or a special clinic?
Did the test also give you your max HR?
Thank you tribro and Jellings. I think I will get my zones figured out from testing as this seems best. I will use Matt's plan and just go with it as I think getting on a specific plan will help a lot. Right now just doing a lot of training without much improvement. I do have a powertap so was thinking of a power based plan but seems like that is unnecessary at this point.
Thanks again.
Jellings- where do they test your VO2 max? Your doctor or a special clinic?
Did the test also give you your max HR?
I had my testing done at a special fitness center in my area. I found it through some recommendations from friends as well as my local tri shop. They did separate testing for running and cycling, so now I have HR zones, VO2Max, and my max HR for each. It cost about $150, but definitely money well spent in my opinion.
I switched from running by HR to running by pace.
Reason is because your HR can really fluctuate day to day based on so many things: stress, hydration, recovery etc
I used the Jack Daniels formulas to base all my run paces from. Essentially it has you run an all out 10K. Plug in those numbers and from that time it derives your long run pace(Z1), marathon pace(Z2), half marathon pace(Z3), tempo pace(Z4), and interval pace(Z5). As well as a pace for whatever race distance. Then you just run that pace as prescribed in your training plan.
You stay with these paces until you test again with another 10K (4-6 weeks later) and adjust the paces accordingly.
I've been seeing pretty good improvements this way.
RV
It takes a long time to get good. - Scott Molina
Slow is smooth; smooth is fast. - Rich Strauss
+1 to what RV said -- I focus more on pace than HR now. Of course, you have to adjust it for different terrain, but I still prefer it.
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I wanted to run this by some of you pros out there- I'm a beginner, ran my first Olympic last summer in Chicago, and was hooked. Now training for Steelhead half IM this August. I've always been more of a runner- run a couple marathons, but only now am I starting to train smarter and more efficiently- at least I think I am.
I just started using a heart rate monitor for running/biking and I have a couple issues I need clearing up:
Since I've never used this theory of heart rate training before, I've always just run or bike as hard as I could on my training runs. Now I want to get faster, in both my tri and marathons. Usually my goals were focused around running/riding a negative split on whatever I was doing. So my heart rate was probably aerobic to start my runs, and at my anerobic threshold by the end. So on my first 8 mile training run yesterday (with HRM), I'm trying to go back to basics and run to build my base better at my aerobic threshold (153bpm) - but this meant I ran about a 9:00 min/mile to stay at that threshold, when I'm used to averaging about 7:30/mile. Is this right? Do I need to slow down to speed up? And eventually, my pace will improve within the aerobic zone?
Base vs. speed training- with my race August 2, is this an appropriate time to "begin" this base phase all over again? I feel like I'm starting at the beginning. If it's ok, how do you guys schedule your base vs. speed training weeks/months in relation to races? If I keep with the base training for another 2 months, do I then transition to speed work for the last 2 months before my race?
Also- when you're in base training, does anyone typically mix in any interval/speed work (say, one day/week), or it's either one or the other? Does anyone have any intermediate interval/speed workouts that I can use for reference?
And lastly- many training programs I've looked at seemed to have Swim/Run training days, where I've always thought it more important to train for Swim/Bike...what is everyone's thought on this? I've been doing one or two swim/bike sessions/week, and then one or two bike/run sessions. Am I missing something?
I know I've asked a mouthful here- any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks everyone-
Eric