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tsilcyc posted 6 weeks ago.
Michellin Pro 2 Race
They have very low rolling resistance. I ride them at 110 PSI v. the Vredestein Fortezza which I rode at 175 PSI. Needless to say the latter is a rougher ride with the higher pressure but one would expect less surface area to be touching the ground. I didn't lose any speed with the Michellin but have gained comfort.
Since I'm happy with the ride and rarely flat on them, I haven't tried much else.
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Tribro posted 6 weeks ago.
Also look at thinner tires for races. like a 22 instead of a 23, some even ride 21 on the front...
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xc800runner posted 6 weeks ago.
I have a 19 on the front and a 21 on the rear, both tufo tubulars, and pressurized as high as I can get my pump to go, currently about 185 psi. Just took them out today and felt instantly faster than my 23mm clinchers at 120 psi.
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GGehrke posted 6 weeks ago.
tsilcyc wrote:
Michellin Pro 2 Race
I just picked up a Pro 3 Race for my front wheel today. Been riding Pro 2 for about 2 years and have been happy, so I'm pretty excited about giving the '3' a try. I almost wish my back tire were more worn so I could have justified the set :P
Anyways, that's anecdotal, as far as I'm concerned. However, there are a few published "studies" out there that have rated the rolling resistance of various tires. I'm going to resist going and finding them because I don't have time right now, but between google and searching other forums you'll certainly find the lists. I do remember, though, that the Pro 2 Race was listed among the top 3-5 every time I've seen a list, so I've stuck with them. From what I understand, the Pro 3 race isn't actually expected to improve on rolling resistance, but it is supposedly going to wear better and give better grip.
One that was surprising was that I've seen the Continental GP 4000 near the bottom of the list for the worst CRR. I have one on my fixie and it sure LOOKS fast, so I dunno.
Getting the pressure right is important. I go based on the manufacturer's recommendations (The Pro3 has a chart printed on the packaging). In general, underinflating and overinflating are both bad for resistance. I think a lot of people overinflate their tires because they feel like it'll reduce resistance, which is not true. I go to 110, which is just a smidge higher than the michelin chart (http://www.teammichelin.com/pubs/road_pressure_chart.pdf) recommends.
As far as aerodynamics, I am an aerodynamics dork and I can't imagine the difference between a 21mm and 23mm is enough to matter to mere mortals. If you've got dedicated race wheels, though, then why not go as skinny as possible, I suppose.
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scottbland247 posted 6 weeks ago.
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UFTriGator posted 6 weeks ago.
More fast ones:
Specialized S-Works
Vittoria Corsa Evo
Hutchinson Fusion
Conti Podium, Competition
Zipp Tangente
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TriSooner posted 6 weeks ago.
tsilcyc wrote:
Dumb luck that I've been riding on these for a few seasons. I only bought because they matched my frame color. Busted! BTW, a perfect e-bay purchase. About 50% less than your LBS.
Michellin Pro 2 Race
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RV posted 6 weeks ago.
Michelin Pro2 Race - will try the 3's this year.
RV
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JamieM posted 6 weeks ago.
Another rider on Michelin Pro2Race. And Vittoria Tubs on the race wheels.
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Captain Mal posted 6 weeks ago.
I am just glad that there was no typo in the title. I was afraid this was afraid someone was trying to sell their used Spedo.
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catwood posted 6 weeks ago.
On my race wheels, Veloflex tubulars.
On my light clincher wheels that I race on sometimes - used to be specialized s-works, now pro2 race.
On the wheels that I train on Specialized Armadillos - heavy and slow but ~5000 miles, no flats.
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fastdog5 posted 6 weeks ago.
Captain Mal wrote:
I am just glad that there was no typo in the title. I was afraid this was afraid someone was trying to sell their used Spedo.
No, but I have some used bike shorts if you're interested. Glad it got your attention.
Thanks to everyone for the replies. Looks like Michelin Pro Race 2 in a landslide.
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scottbland247 posted 6 weeks ago.
are the michelin pro2 races' clinchers?
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UFTriGator posted 6 weeks ago.
scottbland247 wrote:
are the michelin pro2 races' clinchers?
yes they are.
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scottbland247 posted 6 weeks ago.
crap!
i have junk $20 tires right now but they are tubulars, I was hoping to upgrade for the $50 it would have taken for the pro 2 racers
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Tri Fanatic posted 6 weeks ago.
Too much pressure will slow you down. Your tire will be hoping off of the ground. You can have a too low pressure AND a too high pressure.
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Triguy98 posted 6 weeks ago.
Best to have two sets of tires. My training bike has 25mm front and 28mm rear tire, Bontrager Hardcase (kevlar lined, heavy as heck puncture resistant tire.) My race wheels are Bontrager Race Lites. They are just basically rebadged Vredestein Fortezzas. Pro Race 2s are exteremly solid, as evidenced by all the testimony here and several of my friends.
The heavy training wheel and tire combo makes the light stuff seem a lot easier to pedal.
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spazz posted 6 weeks ago.
what is the best tire for Hed 3's? would Michellin Pro 2 Race be the best for those too? i would like something that has less flats that the vitoria race lights i used to use if possible
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fpugsley posted 6 weeks ago.
scottbland247 wrote:
crap!i have junk $20 tires right now but they are tubulars, I was hoping to upgrade for the $50 it would have taken for the pro 2 racers
There is no such thing as a junk $20 tubular. Tubulars are closer to $100 each I guarantee you have clinchers. Like everyone said above, tubular wheels run $1000 plus. If you have tubulars, you know you do.
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RV posted 6 weeks ago.
spazz wrote:
what is the best tire for Hed 3's? would Michellin Pro 2 Race be the best for those too? i would like something that has less flats that the vitoria race lights i used to use if possible
I have HED-3s and use the ProRace 2's - they have been great.
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scottbland247 posted 6 weeks ago.
thanks pugsley,
I'm taking my bike in next week for the first tune up ever and i'll have them check it out
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UFTriGator posted 6 weeks ago.
fpugsley wrote:
There is no such thing as a junk $20 tubular. Tubulars are closer to $100 each I guarantee you have clinchers. Like everyone said above, tubular wheels run $1000 plus. If you have tubulars, you know you do.
You can get a Vittoria Rally for $20, a Conti Giro for $23, and a Tufo S22 for $30. I think Nashbar was recently selling tubular Ksyrium SLs for under $400. For the most part, a tubular wheel is cheaper than its clincher counterpart.
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scottbland247 posted 6 weeks ago.
now i am really confused, I'll just see what the lbs says i need to work with my wheels
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UFTriGator posted 6 weeks ago.
^You probably have clinchers. What does the label on your tire say?
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Hopefully this isn't too dumb...an article in the April issue of Triathlete shows a "cost-benefit analysis" of various upgrades, listing tires as the #2 value and stating, "...the right tire can simultaneously improve wheel aerodynamics and reduce rolling resistance." OK, sounds good. Which are the "right" tires?
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