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started by Shaun_mcc on March 11, 2008

I'm not sure how much this question makes sense, as it depends on the course, but I'm wondering what the average bike speeds are in a given race. More specifically, what is the average speed for the top 20%, middle 60% and bottom 20% of the pack for each of the triatholon distances (Spring, Oly, 1/2IM, and IM).

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tsilcyc posted 1 year ago.

Most races have results pages that break it down for you. Do a search for Ironman results and you can see every detail from bike speed, bike pace, T1 time, etc.

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ChunkyB posted 1 year ago.

You can also do the same for other distances. Most any organized triathlon will post the results online, and most of them don't require that you actually raced in the race or whatever. That is a really great question though. I'm excited to see the responses.

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GGehrke posted 1 year ago.

Granted, this is only for one race - the California 70.3, but it gives you some idea perhaps. I had it handy.

Considerations - It's an official Ford IM race, so the people who show up are not necessarily the same as those at a local sprint or at Kona, but I would venture they're a pretty good cross section of everyone from novices to the big name pros (Potts won).
It's a fairly hilly course and, from what I understand, windy in parts as well.
Also being a Ford race, it's very well supported and well organized.

You could certainly do your own regression like this on other races if you want to get really geeky. It was not hard to copy and paste the results page into excel. I'd be very curious to normalize the place dimension and overlay the regression curves from several races. Maybe if I'm bored at 2am one night I'll do it.

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emtridoc posted 1 year ago.

Well, for what it's worth, I would consider myself a weak cyclist. For my first 70.3 I avg'ed 15.1 mph which improved to 16.0 on my 2nd 70.3. For my first (and only, thus far) IM I had a 14.6 avg, though in the category of too much information, I over-hydrated and had 30 minutes in stoppage time. Subtract that out and I'm at 15.6 mph. Take home message: wear a two piece suit or better yet, get used to peeing while riding (I can't pee in my wetsuit, either). Anyway, those paces but me pretty squarely in the bottom 25%. Compare that to my friend who maintained a 16.9 mph pace at IM Coeur D'Alene and he was in the middle 50%. Looking over the results for the CDA IM last year, 18-19 mph would put you in the top 25%. Pros and top age groupers were mostly putting down 19.5-22, with the top two finishers @ 23.3 and 23.7 mph. Needless to say, dist, course, and conditions will all impact pace. Hope that helps.

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catwood posted 1 year ago.

I could have fun with stuff I've learned in my stats and math modeling courses if I had time... Interesting idea for a summer project.

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tsilcyc posted 1 year ago.

emtridoc wrote:
get used to peeing while riding

And let me add: Make sure your shoes have holes to allow the pee to exit. Found that out the hard way.

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emtridoc posted 1 year ago.

tsilcyc wrote:
emtridoc wrote:
get used to peeing while riding

And let me add: Make sure your shoes have holes to allow the pee to exit. Found that out the hard way.

Thanks for the heads up! (or leg down) Should I ever convince my bladder to let go with my shorts still on I will make certain I'm wearing the right shoes. I suppose that might be reason not to wear socks, as well.

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scottbland247 posted 1 year ago.

do people actually pee while running?

i'm not sure I can grasp caring that much about speed

It is better to hurt from doing something than from doing nothing...

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fpugsley posted 1 year ago.

scottbland247 wrote:
do people actually pee while running?

Yes... I was dating a girl last year who would pee on the run without stopping if she had to go... we just called her 'tiny tank'

rules for, and a picture of peeing while riding your bike
http://www.fatcyclist.com/2006/01/23/how-to-pee-whilst-riding-your-bike/

its a great blog too

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M posted 1 year ago.

This suggests what I think is generally accepted that the bike is a reasonable predictor of overall results since it's so much of the race. I wonder how that would look for the swim and the run. Possibly less tidy. If so, I wonder if the nonconforming points tend to be on one side of the curve or the other for the swim versus the run, or if it's all over the place.

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NotAsFast posted 1 year ago.

Maybe a late comment, but if you do pee on the ride and run, rinse everything out including your shoes, saddle, bike, hydrotail as soon as possible. It will come back to haunt you.

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jsk85 posted 1 year ago.

NotAsFast wrote:
Maybe a late comment, but if you do pee on the ride and run, rinse everything out including your shoes, saddle, bike, hydrotail as soon as possible. It will come back to haunt you.

What an ominous post...you must be speaking from experience. I cringed a little when I read that

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TriSooner posted 1 year ago.

scottbland247 wrote:
do people actually pee while running?
Oh, and much, much more. I was at Buffalo Springs Lake Half IM once and an older age-group female blew past me on the run. She was vying for a Kona slot (BSLT is one of only two Half's that have Kona slots), so I think she was justified in what she left in her pants.

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scottbland247 posted 1 year ago.

I know I'm a beginner, but I can't imagine wanting it that bad

It is better to hurt from doing something than from doing nothing...

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tsilcyc posted 1 year ago.

scottbland247 wrote:
I know I'm a beginner, but I can't imagine wanting it that bad

Fair enough... time how long it takes to stop and pee.

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GGehrke posted 1 year ago.

I was actually doing a little MotionBased stalking (website where you upload GPS tracks) for various competitors at last year's HIM California. I found about 20 or so people who had uploaded their GPS data from the race, representing a pretty fair range of average speeds from about 15 to 23 mph. One trend I noticed in some of the 18-19mph folks was that there were a few points where their speed plot dropped to zero momentarily (Garmin auto-stops when you stop moving, so I don't know how long they were stopped) representing a bathroom break, a full stop at an aid station, something like that. Other than that, their graphs were almost direct overlays of the folks who had 20-21mph speeds, but who never stopped moving the whole time they were on the bike. Now without knowing more about these people and without a really fine level of granularity in the graphs it's impossible to say whether this was truly the sole factor, but I can't help but think that it hurts them a lot.

I actually tried to practice peeing while riding the other day and couldn't do it! I was really afraid of pissing all over myself, though, because it was extremely windy (was going for the off-to-the-side method not the just-go method). Not worth it for a training ride.

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tsilcyc posted 1 year ago.

I'm getting this mental image of you standing up in the pedals, twisting to one side, trying to hold your very tight bike shorts down with one hand...

Not happening. I think Lance can do this, everyone else crashes. Not to mention that I don't think you're going to be able to just whip out your junk in front of everyone at the race.

You need to be a little more subtle. And don't wait until you have to pee, just pee. The less the better so do it when you have to go. Otherwise, you'll leave a 10 mile trail which leads back to your bike. :)

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scottbland247 posted 1 year ago.

peeing your pants just seems so wrong

It is better to hurt from doing something than from doing nothing...

First Triathlon (400m/20k/2.75mile) 1:39.15 including 33 minutes in the water

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emtridoc posted 1 year ago.

tsilcyc wrote:
scottbland247 wrote:
I know I'm a beginner, but I can't imagine wanting it that bad

Fair enough... time how long it takes to stop and pee.

Well, as I think I commented above (a few weeks ago, but this thread is so much fun to come back and re-read over and over again!) I lost 30 minutes to stoppage time in the CDA IM. That equates to over 1 mph difference in average speed. I over-hydrated so I had to stop every 10-15 miles - it was killing me! Besides just the lost time, you lose valuable momentum, too.

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scottbland247 posted 1 year ago.

I don't know how any of you all can dare disagree with y expert opinions....i mean look at my time, from my 1 triathlon ever completed.....i think it speaks for itself ;)

It is better to hurt from doing something than from doing nothing...

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tsilcyc posted 1 year ago.

emtridoc wrote:
tsilcyc wrote:
scottbland247 wrote:
I know I'm a beginner, but I can't imagine wanting it that bad

Fair enough... time how long it takes to stop and pee.

Well, as I think I commented above (a few weeks ago, but this thread is so much fun to come back and re-read over and over again!) I lost 30 minutes to stoppage time in the CDA IM. That equates to over 1 mph difference in average speed. I over-hydrated so I had to stop every 10-15 miles - it was killing me! Besides just the lost time, you lose valuable momentum, too.

Peeing on the bike allows you to drop weight... instantly... so theoretically, you should get faster too. :)

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scottbland247 posted 1 year ago.

and if you pee backwards with enough force it will actually propel you forward

It is better to hurt from doing something than from doing nothing...

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cjhoffmn posted 1 year ago.

This thread could just go so wrong..

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GGehrke posted 1 year ago.

scottbland247 wrote:
and if you pee backwards with enough force it will actually propel you forward

Bah. That's almost as silly as buying a disc wheel that supposedly propels you forward.......

cjhoffmn wrote:
This thread could just go so wrong..

just "could?"